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edhopper

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9. Why not?

Reply to rug (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 15, 2013, 06:10 PM

Oct 2013

Philosophers often have used reason to address morality. Satre' comes to mind.

And there are always those with a different morality than there culture.

And as an atheist i would say all morality is human based min some fashion even when it's adherents don't think it is, your mileage may vary.

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Professor Jim Al-Khalili: Christianity hijacked human values [View all] cleanhippie Oct 2013 OP

Reciprocal ethics were written down by Confucious, 500 years before Jesus was allegedly born. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #1

IIRC, the Sumerians had the first written account of "the golden rule". cleanhippie Oct 2013 #2

There is a pervasive idea edhopper Oct 2013 #3

Plus they have martyrs! trotsky Oct 2013 #5

Logically, he is arguing for inherent human morality. rug Oct 2013 #4

Or that morality edhopper Oct 2013 #6

+1 cleanhippie Oct 2013 #7

I don't think one can reason his or her way into morality, unless it's done in a utilitarian manner. rug Oct 2013 #8

Why not? edhopper Oct 2013 #9

Because you cannot prove a value. rug Oct 2013 #10

I think you are using a very tight definition of reason edhopper Oct 2013 #11

When it comes to reason, it must be tight. rug Oct 2013 #13

Do you agree with Sartre? Jim__ Oct 2013 #15

I agree with his goal but not with how he got there. rug Oct 2013 #16

I'll have to think about where he ends up. Jim__ Oct 2013 #17

Al-Khalili uses the word "hijacked," but his discussion sounds more like they embraced humanist valu Jim__ Oct 2013 #12

Thomas More, Saint Thomas More, was an early humanist writer besides being devoutly religious. rug Oct 2013 #14