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Jim__

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17. I'll have to think about where he ends up.

Reply to rug (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 15, 2013, 09:48 PM

Oct 2013

He thinks that we must make the liberty of others our concern. But, in the concrete case, the case of the student, he cannot offer any advice. His conclusion, to make the liberty of others our concern, seems quite abstract. If the abstract breaks down when it comes to defining action, I'm not sure how his morality plays out in the concrete.

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Professor Jim Al-Khalili: Christianity hijacked human values [View all] cleanhippie Oct 2013 OP

Reciprocal ethics were written down by Confucious, 500 years before Jesus was allegedly born. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #1

IIRC, the Sumerians had the first written account of "the golden rule". cleanhippie Oct 2013 #2

There is a pervasive idea edhopper Oct 2013 #3

Plus they have martyrs! trotsky Oct 2013 #5

Logically, he is arguing for inherent human morality. rug Oct 2013 #4

Or that morality edhopper Oct 2013 #6

+1 cleanhippie Oct 2013 #7

I don't think one can reason his or her way into morality, unless it's done in a utilitarian manner. rug Oct 2013 #8

Why not? edhopper Oct 2013 #9

Because you cannot prove a value. rug Oct 2013 #10

I think you are using a very tight definition of reason edhopper Oct 2013 #11

When it comes to reason, it must be tight. rug Oct 2013 #13

Do you agree with Sartre? Jim__ Oct 2013 #15

I agree with his goal but not with how he got there. rug Oct 2013 #16

I'll have to think about where he ends up. Jim__ Oct 2013 #17

Al-Khalili uses the word "hijacked," but his discussion sounds more like they embraced humanist valu Jim__ Oct 2013 #12

Thomas More, Saint Thomas More, was an early humanist writer besides being devoutly religious. rug Oct 2013 #14