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IrishAyes

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17. Some consistency is certainly always in order

Sat Apr 20, 2013, 07:23 PM

Apr 2013

But not blind lockstep obedience.

As for Catholic, yes. Cradle at that. I will never leave the church even if it leaves me. I even follow St. Francis' way of sharing the Word with all God's creation, often singing my Hail Mary's and Our Father's to my own little furkids at home. If I ever feel horribly in the dumps, the cloud lifts when I start to sing the Hail Mary repeatedly in every musical variation I can create.

And I've been fortunate to love every nun I've ever known. Though I must admit that when, like many pre-teen Catholic girls, I announced my desire to become a nun, Mother Superior gasped in mock horror. "Heaven help us if you do, child!" She knew better than I did at that age that I wasn't exactly destined for the habit. By gentle questioning she gave me an inkling before I left her office, though. And of course she was right. I was already entranced with Dorothy Day and it didn't bode well for a future of obedience. That's not my calling.

If you care to enquire further, see my other replies on this post and/or visit my journal, where I tend to enter all but the most mundane conversations.

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Lesbian Catholic school teacher fired after mother's death because obit listed her partner [View all] UrbScotty Apr 2013 OP

Ah, feel the love. Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #1

I think you're missing the point. georges641 Apr 2013 #8

Respectfully, IrishAyes Apr 2013 #12

I certainly feel the love from you Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #15

What does the Church say? georges641 Apr 2013 #22

OK, I shall answer your questions Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #34

You didn't really answer my questions in good faith. georges641 Apr 2013 #35

I answered in perfectly good faith. Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #69

not so georges641 Apr 2013 #70

You simply do not want to accept that answered honestly Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #73

I didn't say I disagree about capital punishment. georges641 Apr 2013 #75

Incidentally, I am CORRECT on the slavery issue Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #106

No, I am completely correct on the slavery issue Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #108

Another good source which refutes the above. georges641 Apr 2013 #110

I am quite familiar with that article from EWTN Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #111

So you think you've got doctrinal changes regarding usury and slavery... georges641 May 2013 #112

No, I am saying that moral teachings in the Catholic Church have changed Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #114

I'm not interested in a urinating contest or being the smartest guy in the room. georges641 May 2013 #118

PS I'm "orthodox," not a "conservative." georges641 May 2013 #119

That's your story and you are sticking to it Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #123

Religious assent, etc. georges641 May 2013 #128

So what you, and the author you quote, are saying is that Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #134

Please stop misrepresenting me. georges641 May 2013 #130

Fascinating that you should put the Catechism ABOVE a papal encyclical Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #132

I agree with the catechism and jp2 georges641 May 2013 #133

No, you do not. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #135

whatever georges641 May 2013 #136

You say that you are perfectly happy to let the state make decisions about the death penalty Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #137

you do and you would NT sigmasix Apr 2013 #102

If they feel compelled to follow the letter of the law, they no longer have a reason to fire her. rug Apr 2013 #2

And what about throwing first stones, too?! IrishAyes Apr 2013 #4

Should someone who teaches at a Catholic institution believe in and strive to live what they teach? georges641 Apr 2013 #7

You can be catholic and gay. Being gay is not a sin. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #9

Amen to that! IrishAyes Apr 2013 #14

Some consistency is certainly always in order IrishAyes Apr 2013 #17

Oinkers, alright. IrishAyes Apr 2013 #13

She doesn't believe what Catholicism teaches. georges641 Apr 2013 #3

Just like the body politic, IrishAyes Apr 2013 #5

I still don't get it. georges641 Apr 2013 #6

People need to make the church more liberal from within. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #10

It shouldn't expect unquestioning acceptance from the laity, either, of every declaration. IrishAyes Apr 2013 #11

I have aways thought it some what strange that converts are more strict than those raised Catholic. olegramps Apr 2013 #104

You're a little mixed up about Augustine. georges641 Apr 2013 #105

I would suggest that you actually read his works before parroting the conservative bull. olegramps Apr 2013 #109

Not so... georges641 May 2013 #113

You admit that you haven't even read the work and makeup facts. olegramps May 2013 #115

You're more than entitled to your beliefs in Judaism. georges641 May 2013 #116

Not hardly, I am refuting a heretic that contradicted the Fathers of the Church. olegramps May 2013 #117

Did I say I accept all of Augustine as "doctrinal"? georges641 May 2013 #121

Why would you assume that I am Jewish. The fact is I was raised a Catholic. olegramps May 2013 #124

But what is the bottom line? georges641 May 2013 #125

I never said that Ambrose condemned his positions. olegramps May 2013 #127

Augustine is SAINT Augustine. georges641 May 2013 #129

Absolutely ridiculous response. olegramps May 2013 #131

One thing that gets me about georges Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #138

Still learning about my faith... georges641 May 2013 #139

You sadden me Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #140

I would be interested to listen to what objections that you have. olegramps May 2013 #141

OK, I will start a thread on Augustine, perhaps later today, certainly by tomorrow. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #142

Actually, she apparently said NOTHING about her sexual preferences at school Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #16

Church teaching about sexual morality. georges641 Apr 2013 #19

Do you think Homosexuality is a sin or wrong? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #20

Did I say it was the "same thing"? georges641 Apr 2013 #21

I know what the church teaches but do you personally think that homosexuality is a sin? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #23

Are you a Catholic? georges641 Apr 2013 #24

Still catholic but not roman Catholic. I am Episcopalian. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #25

You're not a Catholic... georges641 Apr 2013 #26

Episcoplians are catholic. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #27

I have yet to "proclaim" anything. georges641 Apr 2013 #28

By deferring to the catechism you are saying it is a sin. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #29

You're not in the Catholic Church and are entitled to disagree. georges641 Apr 2013 #30

You do realize not every catholic is not in communion with the pope? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #31

"I defer to the Catechism" Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #33

Your bishop and pope would disagree with you. georges641 Apr 2013 #36

Episcopalians do claim to be catholic. We are just not Roman Catholic in communion with the pope. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #38

I was baptized into the Episcopal Church and attended Catholic school, okasha Apr 2013 #94

I don't believe Anglicans have valid apostolic succession. georges641 Apr 2013 #95

No matter what anyone says we have proper Apostolic Succession. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #97

Does the Holy Spirit guide your Church then? georges641 Apr 2013 #98

Yes the Holy Spirit guides our church. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #99

The Holy Spirit is very confused. georges641 Apr 2013 #100

No we are not in communion with the Pope. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #101

If you insist on having only those free from sin employed by the Catholic Church Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #32

We're all sinners. georges641 Apr 2013 #37

The church is wrong on homosexuality. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #39

But Christ is the head of the Church. georges641 Apr 2013 #40

The Roman Catholic Church is NOT a sham. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #41

Of course it's not a sham. georges641 Apr 2013 #42

Then I would tell you to read the terms of service more closely here. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #43

So what you are really telling me is... georges641 Apr 2013 #44

Yes you did. When you said you deferred to the catechism you made your position on LGBT rights very hrmjustin Apr 2013 #45

Where in the rules does is say anything about "sin"? georges641 Apr 2013 #47

I am sorry but most progressive Roman Catholics do not believe the church 100%. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #48

"Progressive" is a political term. georges641 Apr 2013 #49

Ok make it clear to me. Do you believe Homosexuality is a sin? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #50

You don't really know what the RCC teaches, based on your posts. georges641 Apr 2013 #51

Very cute! Do you think all homosexual acts are sinful or wrong? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #53

What is a sin is not for me to determine either. georges641 Apr 2013 #57

I am giving you a hard time because you seem to be saying as cryptic as can be that you think hrmjustin Apr 2013 #58

I think I know what you really want. georges641 Apr 2013 #59

Ok I will answer your questions. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #60

My apologies then for questioning your motives. georges641 Apr 2013 #61

This room is subject to the rules of this board. This site is for liberals and progressives. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #62

We are beating a dead horse (again)... georges641 Apr 2013 #63

You can discuss catholic doctrine all you like my friend. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #64

I don't mind being challenged. georges641 Apr 2013 #65

All I can say is what Skinner the owner says. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #66

Now I understand Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #67

I would quit the Church... georges641 Apr 2013 #68

The Church has taught things that are flat out wrong Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #71

I deny that doctrine has been reversed, contradicted, or removed. georges641 Apr 2013 #72

"I deny that doctrine has been reversed, contradicted, or removed." Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #74

Then you belong to a Church that lies to you. georges641 Apr 2013 #76

Please check out this link... hunter Apr 2013 #77

Sorry, believing and professing doctrine is not "scrupulosity." georges641 Apr 2013 #78

I've got all sorts of experience in my own family... hunter Apr 2013 #79

Hopefully your family can get through to you... georges641 Apr 2013 #80

Roman Catholic members on this site are liberal. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #81

Could be the Irish in me speaking, but you and your twelve apostles go have a good time... hunter Apr 2013 #82

"Then you belong to a Church that lies to you." Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #83

So is the Church correct in condemning abortion? georges641 Apr 2013 #84

I cite Lumen Gentium: georges641 Apr 2013 #85

Too your last question I would say yes. If you use tteachings like a sword it can turn people off to hrmjustin Apr 2013 #86

No, teachings shouldn't be used as a sword or cudgel. georges641 Apr 2013 #87

Look I know you are a convert but don't take everything they say as gospel. They are just people hrmjustin Apr 2013 #88

I'm in my 20th year as a Catholic. georges641 Apr 2013 #89

To you what makes you think they are infallible? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #90

You mean you think he could be wrong about his beliefs about sexual morality? georges641 Apr 2013 #91

Ok What makes you believe in the infallibility of popes and bishops? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #92

"So is the Church correct in condemning abortion?" Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #93

So you're not sure? georges641 Apr 2013 #96

Some answers to your questions. Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #103

OK, I'm back Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #107

No I don't understand. georges641 May 2013 #120

Obviously, you don't understand Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #122

Wow georges641 May 2013 #126

One has to wonder how the Diocese of Columbus deals with No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #18

That's precisly the point. rug Apr 2013 #46

in principle it would be the same thing georges641 Apr 2013 #52

Would Jesus have fired her? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #54

I don't know... georges641 Apr 2013 #55

Read your bible. Jesus would not have fired her. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #56