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georges641

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68. I would quit the Church...

Reply to Fortinbras Armstrong (Reply #67)

Tue Apr 23, 2013, 10:33 AM

Apr 2013

If I believed She could teach errors.

The "unmarried men" you disdain are guided by the Holy Spirit. It is not up to you or me to pick and choose as if Catholicism is a cafeteria. It's not easy to be a Catholic. We are fallen and broken people and what we want is not always what is good or right

I don't condemn the sinner. How can I since I am one myself? But the Church is here to lead people away from sin and toward Heaven. She would do no favors by validating sin.

Your personal attacks against me are unfair and off the mark. I'm simply remaining faithful to the Catholic Church. That should not be unusual in a Catholic group. But if you're smarter and better than the Pope, the bishops, my pastor, 2000 years of Church teaching, then why be a Catholic?

The institution in question did the right thing for all, including the woman, who now can see clearly that she has a choice to be faithful or to find a different religion. The Catholic Church is what it is. Our ranting and raving against challenging doctrine will not change it because the purpose is to change US.

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Ah, feel the love. Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #1

I think you're missing the point. georges641 Apr 2013 #8

Respectfully, IrishAyes Apr 2013 #12

I certainly feel the love from you Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #15

What does the Church say? georges641 Apr 2013 #22

OK, I shall answer your questions Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #34

You didn't really answer my questions in good faith. georges641 Apr 2013 #35

I answered in perfectly good faith. Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #69

not so georges641 Apr 2013 #70

You simply do not want to accept that answered honestly Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #73

I didn't say I disagree about capital punishment. georges641 Apr 2013 #75

Incidentally, I am CORRECT on the slavery issue Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #106

No, I am completely correct on the slavery issue Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #108

Another good source which refutes the above. georges641 Apr 2013 #110

I am quite familiar with that article from EWTN Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #111

So you think you've got doctrinal changes regarding usury and slavery... georges641 May 2013 #112

No, I am saying that moral teachings in the Catholic Church have changed Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #114

I'm not interested in a urinating contest or being the smartest guy in the room. georges641 May 2013 #118

PS I'm "orthodox," not a "conservative." georges641 May 2013 #119

That's your story and you are sticking to it Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #123

Religious assent, etc. georges641 May 2013 #128

So what you, and the author you quote, are saying is that Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #134

Please stop misrepresenting me. georges641 May 2013 #130

Fascinating that you should put the Catechism ABOVE a papal encyclical Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #132

I agree with the catechism and jp2 georges641 May 2013 #133

No, you do not. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #135

whatever georges641 May 2013 #136

You say that you are perfectly happy to let the state make decisions about the death penalty Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #137

you do and you would NT sigmasix Apr 2013 #102

If they feel compelled to follow the letter of the law, they no longer have a reason to fire her. rug Apr 2013 #2

And what about throwing first stones, too?! IrishAyes Apr 2013 #4

Should someone who teaches at a Catholic institution believe in and strive to live what they teach? georges641 Apr 2013 #7

You can be catholic and gay. Being gay is not a sin. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #9

Amen to that! IrishAyes Apr 2013 #14

Some consistency is certainly always in order IrishAyes Apr 2013 #17

Oinkers, alright. IrishAyes Apr 2013 #13

She doesn't believe what Catholicism teaches. georges641 Apr 2013 #3

Just like the body politic, IrishAyes Apr 2013 #5

I still don't get it. georges641 Apr 2013 #6

People need to make the church more liberal from within. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #10

It shouldn't expect unquestioning acceptance from the laity, either, of every declaration. IrishAyes Apr 2013 #11

I have aways thought it some what strange that converts are more strict than those raised Catholic. olegramps Apr 2013 #104

You're a little mixed up about Augustine. georges641 Apr 2013 #105

I would suggest that you actually read his works before parroting the conservative bull. olegramps Apr 2013 #109

Not so... georges641 May 2013 #113

You admit that you haven't even read the work and makeup facts. olegramps May 2013 #115

You're more than entitled to your beliefs in Judaism. georges641 May 2013 #116

Not hardly, I am refuting a heretic that contradicted the Fathers of the Church. olegramps May 2013 #117

Did I say I accept all of Augustine as "doctrinal"? georges641 May 2013 #121

Why would you assume that I am Jewish. The fact is I was raised a Catholic. olegramps May 2013 #124

But what is the bottom line? georges641 May 2013 #125

I never said that Ambrose condemned his positions. olegramps May 2013 #127

Augustine is SAINT Augustine. georges641 May 2013 #129

Absolutely ridiculous response. olegramps May 2013 #131

One thing that gets me about georges Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #138

Still learning about my faith... georges641 May 2013 #139

You sadden me Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #140

I would be interested to listen to what objections that you have. olegramps May 2013 #141

OK, I will start a thread on Augustine, perhaps later today, certainly by tomorrow. Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #142

Actually, she apparently said NOTHING about her sexual preferences at school Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #16

Church teaching about sexual morality. georges641 Apr 2013 #19

Do you think Homosexuality is a sin or wrong? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #20

Did I say it was the "same thing"? georges641 Apr 2013 #21

I know what the church teaches but do you personally think that homosexuality is a sin? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #23

Are you a Catholic? georges641 Apr 2013 #24

Still catholic but not roman Catholic. I am Episcopalian. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #25

You're not a Catholic... georges641 Apr 2013 #26

Episcoplians are catholic. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #27

I have yet to "proclaim" anything. georges641 Apr 2013 #28

By deferring to the catechism you are saying it is a sin. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #29

You're not in the Catholic Church and are entitled to disagree. georges641 Apr 2013 #30

You do realize not every catholic is not in communion with the pope? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #31

"I defer to the Catechism" Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #33

Your bishop and pope would disagree with you. georges641 Apr 2013 #36

Episcopalians do claim to be catholic. We are just not Roman Catholic in communion with the pope. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #38

I was baptized into the Episcopal Church and attended Catholic school, okasha Apr 2013 #94

I don't believe Anglicans have valid apostolic succession. georges641 Apr 2013 #95

No matter what anyone says we have proper Apostolic Succession. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #97

Does the Holy Spirit guide your Church then? georges641 Apr 2013 #98

Yes the Holy Spirit guides our church. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #99

The Holy Spirit is very confused. georges641 Apr 2013 #100

No we are not in communion with the Pope. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #101

If you insist on having only those free from sin employed by the Catholic Church Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #32

We're all sinners. georges641 Apr 2013 #37

The church is wrong on homosexuality. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #39

But Christ is the head of the Church. georges641 Apr 2013 #40

The Roman Catholic Church is NOT a sham. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #41

Of course it's not a sham. georges641 Apr 2013 #42

Then I would tell you to read the terms of service more closely here. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #43

So what you are really telling me is... georges641 Apr 2013 #44

Yes you did. When you said you deferred to the catechism you made your position on LGBT rights very hrmjustin Apr 2013 #45

Where in the rules does is say anything about "sin"? georges641 Apr 2013 #47

I am sorry but most progressive Roman Catholics do not believe the church 100%. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #48

"Progressive" is a political term. georges641 Apr 2013 #49

Ok make it clear to me. Do you believe Homosexuality is a sin? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #50

You don't really know what the RCC teaches, based on your posts. georges641 Apr 2013 #51

Very cute! Do you think all homosexual acts are sinful or wrong? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #53

What is a sin is not for me to determine either. georges641 Apr 2013 #57

I am giving you a hard time because you seem to be saying as cryptic as can be that you think hrmjustin Apr 2013 #58

I think I know what you really want. georges641 Apr 2013 #59

Ok I will answer your questions. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #60

My apologies then for questioning your motives. georges641 Apr 2013 #61

This room is subject to the rules of this board. This site is for liberals and progressives. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #62

We are beating a dead horse (again)... georges641 Apr 2013 #63

You can discuss catholic doctrine all you like my friend. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #64

I don't mind being challenged. georges641 Apr 2013 #65

All I can say is what Skinner the owner says. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #66

Now I understand Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #67

I would quit the Church... georges641 Apr 2013 #68

The Church has taught things that are flat out wrong Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #71

I deny that doctrine has been reversed, contradicted, or removed. georges641 Apr 2013 #72

"I deny that doctrine has been reversed, contradicted, or removed." Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #74

Then you belong to a Church that lies to you. georges641 Apr 2013 #76

Please check out this link... hunter Apr 2013 #77

Sorry, believing and professing doctrine is not "scrupulosity." georges641 Apr 2013 #78

I've got all sorts of experience in my own family... hunter Apr 2013 #79

Hopefully your family can get through to you... georges641 Apr 2013 #80

Roman Catholic members on this site are liberal. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #81

Could be the Irish in me speaking, but you and your twelve apostles go have a good time... hunter Apr 2013 #82

"Then you belong to a Church that lies to you." Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #83

So is the Church correct in condemning abortion? georges641 Apr 2013 #84

I cite Lumen Gentium: georges641 Apr 2013 #85

Too your last question I would say yes. If you use tteachings like a sword it can turn people off to hrmjustin Apr 2013 #86

No, teachings shouldn't be used as a sword or cudgel. georges641 Apr 2013 #87

Look I know you are a convert but don't take everything they say as gospel. They are just people hrmjustin Apr 2013 #88

I'm in my 20th year as a Catholic. georges641 Apr 2013 #89

To you what makes you think they are infallible? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #90

You mean you think he could be wrong about his beliefs about sexual morality? georges641 Apr 2013 #91

Ok What makes you believe in the infallibility of popes and bishops? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #92

"So is the Church correct in condemning abortion?" Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #93

So you're not sure? georges641 Apr 2013 #96

Some answers to your questions. Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #103

OK, I'm back Fortinbras Armstrong Apr 2013 #107

No I don't understand. georges641 May 2013 #120

Obviously, you don't understand Fortinbras Armstrong May 2013 #122

Wow georges641 May 2013 #126

One has to wonder how the Diocese of Columbus deals with No Vested Interest Apr 2013 #18

That's precisly the point. rug Apr 2013 #46

in principle it would be the same thing georges641 Apr 2013 #52

Would Jesus have fired her? hrmjustin Apr 2013 #54

I don't know... georges641 Apr 2013 #55

Read your bible. Jesus would not have fired her. hrmjustin Apr 2013 #56