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The Traveler

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19. I remember reading back in the day ...
Tue Nov 20, 2012, 01:56 PM
Nov 2012

This was around 1980 or so. A Washington Post article. The government had stopped tracking the "return on investment" of Apollo dollars, because the investment had become so integrated into the American economy that it was no longer practical to measure it. The last published estimate was (if I recall correctly ... this was over 30 years ago) was $7.00 in growth for each $1.00 spent.

Of course, the IBM PC came out shortly after this article was published and that sealed the deal ... the Microprocessor was here to stay. And prior to Apollo, there was no real market pressure to advance integrated circuit technology, fast computer networking and real time software processing technique. In a very real sense, we are having this very conversation because of Apollo. Who could have imagined that in 1964 when the requirements for Apollo's RTOS and onboard computers were defined?

I further note that the realization of human triggered climate change has (at least in large part) its origins in the results Viking lander missions. Designing those experiments, and conducting them, caused scientists to consider atmospheres from an entirely different perspective. I refer you to the writings of Lovelock and Sagan for some good coverage of that subject, if that sort of thing is of interest to you. I find it fascinating stuff.

I submit that if that is "welfare", we need more of it.

I think posing the matter as a choice between a space program (and other R&D efforts) and infrastructure and education is a false choice indeed. What do you propose? Rebuilding an infrastructure based on the best of 1950's technology (e.g. the interstate superhighway)? Or would it be better to invent and develop a more modern technology base? One that screws up the planet less would be nice ...

To me, it is clear we need to scale back the war machine and use those savings to invest in the American people, and a technology base that will sustain them in the future. Planning for that future must include a better understanding of the implications of climate change and the ongoing collapse of ecosystems, particularly ocean ecosystems. In my view, we need lots more R&D ... not less.

Trav

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k and r--that is just sickening niyad Nov 2012 #1
This makes me want to cry. AlGoreRhythms Nov 2012 #2
We desperately need to get that military monkey off our backs. Warpy Nov 2012 #3
75% of the DoD budget is for golf courses and vacation destinations. Welfare queens indeed. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #16
Which vacation destinations? You mean conventions to SaveAmerica Nov 2012 #22
All overseas bases are vacation destinations. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #23
My Vietnam vacation sucked donkey balls. n/t unhappycamper Nov 2012 #24
As did my 1970 Cambodia vacation..... unhappycamper Nov 2012 #25
Correct.. WHEN is Obama Going to Start Talking About Iggy Nov 2012 #26
I wish graphs like this could compete better with innumeracy. phantom power Nov 2012 #4
We need to rethink our priorities. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2012 #5
If only various groups motives were to NOT promote their expansion and profits (MIC) 2on2u Nov 2012 #8
THE GOP LOVES WAR AND HATE ROBROX Nov 2012 #6
Someone posted this a few weeks ago. CrispyQ Nov 2012 #7
Great clip. nt valerief Nov 2012 #11
"The most enormous war machine the world has ever known" and we have not won a war since WWII. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #17
Ever'one knows thet most o' ther tax revenue goes to NPR. nt valerief Nov 2012 #9
If bearded ME men came from Pluto you gotta know we'd be there with bells on. n't 2on2u Nov 2012 #10
Just liked that FB group meeshrox Nov 2012 #12
If NASA had the DoD's budget, we would have manned space missions on other solar systems by now. Crowman1979 Nov 2012 #13
Crowman1979 Diclotican Nov 2012 #14
I say use the money on infrastructure and education, space exploration is welfare for the MIC. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #18
I remember reading back in the day ... The Traveler Nov 2012 #19
And while we're discussing priorities, this may be of interest: AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #15
of course a part of that defense budget is military space program Johonny Nov 2012 #20
Does not count interest on previous wars, and a bunch of other national security related stuff. AtheistCrusader Nov 2012 #21
Graph grappling Plucketeer Nov 2012 #27
And An Awful Lot Of Money Is Price Gouging And Waste .. YOHABLO Nov 2012 #28
NASA's budget is gravy for the military contractors Kolesar Nov 2012 #29
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