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caraher

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34. I'm slowly figuring out what you're doing...
Mon Jul 22, 2013, 12:18 AM
Jul 2013

First, I should mention that the coincidence circuit isn't such a big deal these days. Mine cost a few hundred bucks; I'm using the FPGA setup Mark Beck describes based on the Altera DE2 development board. You can get a coincidence window under 10 ns wide with this unit. You probably don't want to use LabVIEW unless you have a ton of money or an educational affiliation (or, of course, already have it), but all you really need to use the DE2 is a serial connection and the correct command strings.

One downside of fiber is that coupling to the fiber tends to be lossy, so if you only want to sample a tiny part of your interference pattern the bare detector might be better. You really can't get around the need to filter, if only because your laser is bright and the detectors burn themselves out at count rates above 15 million counts per second - easily achieved with room light for a bare detector! (That's another advantage of the fiber - the small acceptance angle of the fiber tends to protect a bit better against such catastrophes.)

Injection into the fiber is mainly a matter of focusing the beam onto the fiber's entry port. How you focus will affect the efficiency of the coupling; you'll want a fiber coupler on a mirror mount to make small angle adjustments. If you establish the "flight path" of your photons with a regular laser beam you can do much of the adjustment "by eye" just looking at the light coming out of the fiber; when it looks good, you put the fiber on your detector.

Buy some green LED lighting. This will let you run your experiment with the detectors on and also be able to see what you're doing. You should have some filters to block anything under maybe 750 nm in any case, and since your eyes are most sensitive to green light you get the most ability to see with the fewest photons (and ~530 nm is below the detectors' peak sensitivity).

I just skimmed the progress reports on Cramer's web site as well as a few recent popular articles. It sounds like he's really made some things more difficult than he needed to by cobbling together his own detectors. You can buy APDs for much less money than SPCMs, but the latter are engineered to take out all the hassles he went through.

It's not clear what laser he's using now from what I've read; the Sacher system was probably overkill. You do want the wavelength to be stable, but it probably doesn't need to be 405 nm on the nose - there's no particular physics selecting that wavelength. The main reasons to have exactly that value is that the commercially-available filters will be centered on wavelengths like 800 nm, 810 nm, etc. Current, temperature and optical feedback all affect the lasing wavelength, and his Sacher system had all three. Usually grating feedback is important only if you're trying to excite a particular atomic transition, so all you really need is a steady current source and either a big heat sink or active temperature control (which is what you don't typically get with a $50 eBay laser pointer).

For wavelength measurement in a DIY experiment, I would recommend making a spectrometer with a diffraction grating and calibrating it by comparing with known reference lines from a mercury lamp (or a neon discharge tube). This could also be good practice using optical fibers; fiber-coupling the light to a spectrometer will help ensure a consistent illumination of your grating. Or you might be able to borrow one from a chemistry department somewhere for a one-time calibration of a homemade setup. You could use a double slit (or for that matter, a DVD or CD) to do the measurement, but you also need to estimate the uncertainty in your value. If you measure 407 +/- 5 nm is that good or bad?

Half-wave plates are generally used to rotate linear polarization. So if you want to pump a pair of BBO crystals with light polarized at 45 degrees, you set a half-wave plate at 22.5 degrees between the pump laser and the crystals. They work with birefringence - the polarization along a particular axis passes through the crystal faster than the perpendicular polarization. It's often important to use what's called a "zero order" waveplate, which generally have better performance, less wavelength sensitivity, and, most important of all, shift the two polarizations by exactly one-half wave relative to one another. ("Multiple order" waveplates will also rotate polarization, but advance one polarization relative to the other by n+1/2 waves, which can be a problem when you're trying to overlap single photons in time, for instance!)

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This is me after reading your post : darkangel218 Jul 2013 #1
Oh, sorry about that mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #2
Nooo, its my fault. darkangel218 Jul 2013 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author cstanleytech May 2015 #91
I understood every bit of it... nebenaube Jul 2013 #4
Mach-Zehnder interferometers are interesting mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #5
knowing they exist and know what everyone else calls them are two different things. nebenaube Jul 2013 #6
Off the shelf? mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #7
I don't see why what I need would be any bigger then say a .22 slug (for lack of a better reference) nebenaube Jul 2013 #37
See my post currently at the bottom mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #39
Hey, so are you doing this on your own dime? napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #8
Pick up that book he mentioned caraher Jul 2013 #9
You're at Powell's in Portland? I'm jealous. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #10
Yeah me too mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #17
I was on Tuesday caraher Jul 2013 #12
BTW, this is still pricey stuff caraher Jul 2013 #13
Youre plan isn't mad, its pure genius. Set up a chemistry lab too. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #14
I gotta say it again - genius. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #15
In chemistry they worry a lot about "technique" caraher Jul 2013 #16
That's how I would start if I were you. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #18
Yeah, I'm doing it on my own dime mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #19
Okay, thanks for that info. Question 2: napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #21
Yes, I think it's possible mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #22
Interesting results are good. But be careful young mindwalker.... napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #23
Interesting take mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #24
"keep in mind that quantum encryption exists" napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #25
Snowden leaked that the govt. is tapping everything mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #26
What's available now is quantum-secured distribution of encryption keys caraher Jul 2013 #28
I think I switched topics without telling anyone mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #31
Aw-ight, sir. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #30
That online lab is a really interesting idea mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #32
It would be a big money saver for all interested. napoleon_in_rags Jul 2013 #33
Sounds like handy stuff caraher Jul 2013 #35
I don't think this can work, but... caraher Jul 2013 #27
But discussing/arguing about it can be fun too mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #36
Part of it is preserving causality caraher Jul 2013 #41
Nature seemed pretty good at enforcing Newton's laws mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #42
I think the Excelitas detectors for education have a 500 Hz dark count rate caraher Jul 2013 #29
Coincidence count rates from downconversion vary a LOT caraher Jul 2013 #11
That's a log of really good information! mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #20
I'm slowly figuring out what you're doing... caraher Jul 2013 #34
Sir, you've just saved me a LOT of pain mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #38
I do want to think a bit more about your experiment... caraher Jul 2013 #40
I just added your message to my file :) mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #43
Well, what I was getting at is only partially-baked caraher Jul 2013 #44
OK, I get it now caraher Jul 2013 #45
I think my explanation isn't quite right, but close caraher Jul 2013 #47
I'm going to have to read through this a few times mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #49
To be clear... caraher Jul 2013 #53
Any progress on the experiment? idkiigmy May 2014 #70
I'm halfway through the Ellerman paper caraher May 2014 #71
First of all, thanks for the links! mindwalker_i May 2014 #72
Cool, keep us posted idkiigmy May 2014 #73
I've already bought the most expensive equipment (I hope) mindwalker_i May 2014 #74
Good mounting hardware helps immensely caraher May 2014 #77
Sorry for he late reply, bu yeah, I've been working with an optical breadboard mindwalker_i May 2014 #79
I might get one of those Sherlines someday caraher May 2014 #80
I like their stuff a lot mindwalker_i May 2014 #81
I actually find aluminum easier to machine than plastic caraher May 2014 #82
So... maybe you should use collinear Type II? caraher Jul 2013 #46
Type II Collinear? mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #48
Ok, I see basically what this is mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #50
Close caraher Jul 2013 #54
Looking at NewLight's site mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #55
You should talk to their sales engineer caraher Jul 2013 #56
Cool! Yeah, I've been e-mailing Jean as well mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #57
a factoid caraher Jul 2013 #58
2000/milliwatt is really good mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #59
Since you're an electronics person... caraher Jul 2013 #60
I've worked with LabView before mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #61
I think that's right caraher Jul 2013 #62
One more thought... caraher Jul 2013 #68
Interesting! This just further solidifies my determination mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #69
The link to Chapter 4 of "this dissertation" does not work for me mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #63
The link is to the full dissertation caraher Jul 2013 #64
I found a much better piece caraher Jul 2013 #65
That workd, thanks again!!! mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #66
OK, but see my other post caraher Jul 2013 #67
Have you checked the fuses? Eddie Haskell Jul 2013 #51
Uhm, what? mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #52
My intuition tells me the past and the future are rather symmetrical about any local present. hunter May 2014 #75
Thank you! I'm a bit surprised at the attention it's gotten as of late mindwalker_i May 2014 #76
You should definitely read the Ellerman paper posted upthread caraher May 2014 #78
Fascinating read. drm604 May 2014 #83
Thank you for your interest mindwalker_i May 2014 #84
To be clear, I wasn't suggesting that you are a quack, you obviously have some knowledge. drm604 May 2014 #85
Oh I didn't think you were saying I was a quack mindwalker_i May 2014 #86
I haven't programmed at the hardware level in decades. drm604 May 2014 #87
Oh now you've done it mindwalker_i May 2014 #88
Maybe it can break locally. drm604 May 2014 #89
entanglement project mindwalker xoliver May 2015 #90
entanglement project mindwalker_i May 2015 #92
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