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gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
60. Insertions. Plural.
Sun Dec 29, 2013, 09:26 PM
Dec 2013

And no they don't "make us like primates". They are ironclad evidence that we share common ancestry with the other primates.

Here, I wrote this a long while back:

http://duelingdogma.blogspot.com/2010/05/proving-evolution-post-5-non-coding.html

Just scan down to the section on ERVs for the explanation.

If you want the really simplified presentation, ERVs are genetic traces left by retroviral infections. Sometimes those infections get into a germline cell and then they get passed down from generation to generation. sometimes they get spread so widely after a number of generations that every single member of a species carries them and they become fixed. Every member of the species after that is also going to have them.


They're not features of design, they're the fingerprints left behind by long ago infections.


Now let's say you were grading a class, and you had three students turn in massive final reports that look an awful lot like they were plagiarized from the same source.

You notice entire cited passages are identical. Word for word. But then they say "well you can't fault us for happening to cite the same sources! We're writing about the same subject after all!"

You notice the page formatting is even the same. And then they say "well we all looked at the same standard school references on how we should format things!"

Etc, etc.

This is the kind of bullshit creationists always pull when all the other massive genetic evidence is pointed out. But ERVs aren't like that. They're not coherent source material anyone would use to put together the report. They're not standard rules of formatting or presentation.

They're the coffee stain from when someone was eating their lunch while writing the original.

And oops, the idiots photocopied entire pages of the original and there's the exact same coffee stain on page 14 in every one of them.

There is no explaining that away. Our plagiarists are busted.


Just as there is no explaining away common identical ERV insertions carried in exactly identical locations in germline cells among multiple species. Evolution deniers are busted. Those insertions came from a common ancestral source that was the original infection point.

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Placebo NoOneMan Dec 2013 #1
Not science... Mystery mongering. longship Dec 2013 #2
Placebo is not "Long ago figured out" Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #4
"depending on your beliefs" longship Dec 2013 #7
No, placebo is not "the null effect", placebo is not "doing nothing" bananas Dec 2013 #32
Fine! If you get malaria, treat it with a placebo. longship Dec 2013 #33
You've likely been treated with placebos many times bananas Dec 2013 #37
Not for malaria, they don't. longship Dec 2013 #39
Wow - you've said so many things that are flat-out wrong bananas Dec 2013 #63
Thank you for carrying on such a good fight. truedelphi Jan 2014 #79
Coming up with an explanation is not figuring it out zeemike Dec 2013 #11
Straw man. longship Dec 2013 #17
Actually there have been cases where the placebo effect helped people with cancer. truedelphi Dec 2013 #24
If you get cancer I do not recommend that you give that a try. longship Dec 2013 #30
Well I don't know anything about the placebo effect. zeemike Dec 2013 #27
Gees! Not the memory of water rubbish again. longship Dec 2013 #31
Well really you make my case. zeemike Dec 2013 #44
The difference is that physicists do not just make shit up. longship Dec 2013 #45
You mean like string theory? zeemike Dec 2013 #46
It's condemned as woo because there is no supporting science. longship Dec 2013 #47
And that IS the point...they are condemned as woo. zeemike Dec 2013 #48
This is a very common trait of woo proponents. longship Dec 2013 #49
Saying that science does not know everything is not maligning it. zeemike Dec 2013 #50
And what was the name of that physicist who said, back in 1898, or 1899, that truedelphi Jan 2014 #70
I think it is a problem of ego. zeemike Jan 2014 #71
I'd love a link to that new theory. truedelphi Jan 2014 #74
Sure no problem. zeemike Jan 2014 #75
Thank you greatly. When I saw the depiction of the serpent that eats its own tail, truedelphi Jan 2014 #77
A patent office administrator said that about inventions, not science mathematic Jan 2014 #72
It is a disputed quote from Lord Kelvin. Jim__ Jan 2014 #73
The Memory of water: Lordquinton Dec 2013 #36
I went to a fire walking seminar once and at the end we all walked on hot red coals. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #51
Anybody can firewall. longship Dec 2013 #53
It takes a special mindset by the person who is walking and if you do not have that Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #54
Nope. Heat conductivity. longship Dec 2013 #55
After you do it I will believe you. Talk is easy and often filled with crap. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #59
Good analogy, and good explanation. Chemisse Dec 2013 #66
At least one devoted fire walker would agree with you. truedelphi Jan 2014 #80
Well, my problem is not lack of callous. longship Jan 2014 #81
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I know. I wondering just how many people I'm going to have to put on ignore today. liberal_at_heart Dec 2013 #40
Oh it has happened to me too and I bet quite a few others. Maraya1969 Dec 2013 #52
They have been figured out by science. Vashta Nerada Dec 2013 #6
This thread should be locked. This is creationist type crap. alp227 Dec 2013 #10
Thanks for the link to the moving rocks. truedelphi Dec 2013 #26
The genetic evidence conclusively refutes your belief gcomeau Dec 2013 #35
So you are saying that this endogenous retroviral insertion makes humans like primates. truedelphi Dec 2013 #57
Insertions. Plural. gcomeau Dec 2013 #60
You're making a nice analogy. One I can follow. truedelphi Dec 2013 #61
Well... gcomeau Dec 2013 #64
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I went to a rather small school and had already written a physics paper on all that. truedelphi Dec 2013 #56
Fine. longship Dec 2013 #58
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the tide goes in, the tide goes out awoke_in_2003 Dec 2013 #14
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This bullshit again? stopbush Dec 2013 #19
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