Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

DetlefK

(16,670 posts)
19. Okay. Very, very outlandish. "Thermoelectric effect."
Tue Aug 18, 2015, 07:05 AM
Aug 2015

You need two wires made from different metals, tied together at one end. You connect the other two ends to the poles of your electricity-consuming device.
At the knot, the different densities-of-state of the metals will shift upon contact until a voltage has built up that balances the different amounts of available elctric charges. But apart from this tiny, tiny current, nothing will happen.
But, if your device and the point where the metals touch have different temperatures, the densities-of-state shift again. Again, a voltage builds up and a current flows to cancel this imbalance out. The temperature-difference leads to a voltage.


My idea:
1. You put the knot into something really, REALLY cold. Arctic temperatures and lower. (Liquid nitrogen is cheap...)
2. The other end, the device, is thermically conductive connected to the planet's ocean.
3. Now we have to get rid of the voltage. The electric energy is dispersed by shooting a powerful beam into space, at a frequency which is badly absorbed by the atmosphere.

Result: You suck the warmth out of the ocean and shoot it into space.
It sounds outlandish at first, but if you use two alloys that have been specifically designed to have radically different electric densities-of-state and if the temperature-difference is really big and if you use not just wires but cables at least a foot thick...
And if you set up hundreds of stations like this on the planet...



EDIT: After a hundred years, the oceans will have cooled by 1 K or so (more like 0.1 K), but this means a lot in terms of global climate and leads to a growth of the polar ice-caps and glaciers. While the difference in temperature is insignificant for the thermoelectric effect, the new ice-sheets would reflect sunlight, accelerating the process.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Spread kilotons of fine particulate matter in the upper atmosphere. Maedhros Aug 2015 #1
hmmm... retrowire Aug 2015 #3
There are limited options. Maedhros Aug 2015 #7
What about a means retrowire Aug 2015 #8
Given enough energy, it could be done. Maedhros Aug 2015 #11
Wow! Thanks so much! retrowire Aug 2015 #12
Don't thank me - thank Niven. Maedhros Aug 2015 #18
I don't think 'gargantuan' begins to cover it muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #20
Here's what I remember: Maedhros Aug 2015 #21
'pressed against' meaning 'floating in it', really muriel_volestrangler Aug 2015 #22
That can be done by using an asteroid to transfer momentum from a gas giant to your world Fumesucker Aug 2015 #28
Sulfuric acid has been suggested RufusTFirefly Aug 2015 #2
Anyway to do it without blocking out the sky? n/t retrowire Aug 2015 #4
Not really Hydra Aug 2015 #5
Damn, well retrowire Aug 2015 #6
Ya, but unintended consequences Hydra Aug 2015 #9
Hmm, I didn't consider the "every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction" clause... retrowire Aug 2015 #13
I'm not an expert either Hydra Aug 2015 #15
Well I thank you anyways! retrowire Aug 2015 #16
It's not like we're talking about the sky turning black Silent3 Aug 2015 #10
Huh. Okay, that's true.... retrowire Aug 2015 #14
Not an expert by any means, I doubt I could do the math... Thor_MN Aug 2015 #17
Okay. Very, very outlandish. "Thermoelectric effect." DetlefK Aug 2015 #19
This might help... NeoGreen Aug 2015 #23
Here is some info on terraforming SoLeftIAmRight Aug 2015 #24
Great information. Bonobo Aug 2015 #33
Could be: The expansion of the planet while it cools, would move particles (of matter and force) DhhD Aug 2015 #25
Carbon nanofibres made from CO2 in the air Agnosticsherbet Aug 2015 #26
Bad idea. DetlefK Aug 2015 #31
Increase the albedo to reflect more ligh back into space. On Earth if we could spread the ice sheets MillennialDem Aug 2015 #27
How??? DetlefK Aug 2015 #30
I didn't say it was easily doable :p I imagine massive bulldozer operations could push them to MillennialDem Aug 2015 #32
"The most efficient way would be to dim the star" said Tom darkly Fumesucker Aug 2015 #29
Latest Discussions»Culture Forums»Science»I need assistance with a ...»Reply #19