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Joseph8th

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49. Not sure why I'm bothering, but...
Mon Mar 26, 2012, 09:52 PM
Mar 2012

... interesting synopsis that doesn't advance any position that I can discern, as it is full of contradictory positions. I'm aware of these debates, but again assert that they are completely secondary and only interesting from a philosophy of science POV. Naturally, they're quite interesting to mathematicians, who regularly deal with both the unimaginable and the physically impossible. (Just try visualizing an N-dimensional sphere.) But physicists are constrained by additional considerations that are uninteresting to most mathematicians. Things like the boring ole laws of physics. I mean, really. I have no desire to whip out some maths so astronauts can poo in space. Often, we don't even understand each other's notation on the same exact subject (just look in Lie groups by math ppl vs. physicists). And, of course, there is a famous historical animosity between pure and applied math, even within the single department.

For math, Godel's thm is great because it's job security. We'll always have interesting problems to work on.

But only a tiny percentage of those will be found to be useful in the sense that they somehow model behavior of observables. For instance, string-theory asserts that nature has a minimum size -- that means that if we want to apply that model, we can no longer assume (as we normally do in the analysis underlying almost all physics) the Archimedean Principle holds in nature. That's pretty big, and that's why string theory math is hairy. If you start shrinking down to Planck scale, you will just start getting bigger, again. That's completely unintuitive when we're used to assuming that we can always find another point between any two points. So here's an example of a really really fundamental mathematical principle that physicists assume all the time, but which physicists cavalierly tossed aside to even begin to reconcile QM and relativity at the Planck scale.

So insofar as Godel's says there's an infinite pools of math problems (of a certain sort), then yeah, there's plenty of maths for physicists to exploit. Doesn't mean any of it accurately models nature.

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However, it would be a big mistake... longship Mar 2012 #1
Straight to the point tama Mar 2012 #3
Is coherence selected or a structural by-product? Jim__ Mar 2012 #4
Wider context tama Mar 2012 #8
I'm not sure why you would begin by looking at a wider context. Jim__ Mar 2012 #15
To begin with tama Mar 2012 #16
A couple of thoughts. Jim__ Mar 2012 #33
A clarification tama Mar 2012 #36
Lack of any supporting data longship Mar 2012 #5
The word "decoherence" tama Mar 2012 #6
This is complete and utter rubbish longship Mar 2012 #9
But, but... someone was wrong about something before... Silent3 Mar 2012 #11
I disagree tama Mar 2012 #13
Your endless devotion to vagueness is certainly amusing, however. Silent3 Mar 2012 #17
Why don't you even try? tama Mar 2012 #19
You seem to be getting different posters confused Silent3 Mar 2012 #20
Flattering ad hominem, thanks for that tama Mar 2012 #28
I have no problem with people trying to understand "quantum" Silent3 Mar 2012 #29
You are making up tama Mar 2012 #31
New Age? longship Mar 2012 #32
Pseudoskepticism tama Mar 2012 #45
Thank you. Thank you. And THANK YOU!!! nt Joseph8th Mar 2012 #40
Nice tama Mar 2012 #12
Sorry! Your post makes no physical sense longship Mar 2012 #18
First tama Mar 2012 #24
Tama, I'm with you longship Mar 2012 #30
Well that's clearly wrong bananas Mar 2012 #34
Wonderful take down longship Mar 2012 #35
Quantum cryptography, quantum teleportation, superconductors are some other examples bananas Mar 2012 #48
Please! It's bad enough to tarnish QM... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #41
Gödel tama Mar 2012 #43
Looking for a ToE ... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #46
Abstract tama Mar 2012 #47
Not sure why I'm bothering, but... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #49
Some good points tama Mar 2012 #50
Heheh... Cantor's Paradise... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #53
LOL - "mathematical theorems ... bear no relation to physics" bananas Mar 2012 #51
Math is not physics... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #52
Physics is NOT illogical or irrational... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #54
I didn't know there were Militant Holists, now... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #38
LOL tama Mar 2012 #39
OMG... Joseph8th Mar 2012 #42
Condencending tone tama Mar 2012 #44
Anybody tama Mar 2012 #7
Hmm. DeWitt. Interesting longship Mar 2012 #10
First tama Mar 2012 #14
Okay, I'm with you on all except the "observer" longship Mar 2012 #21
Well, I think there's more to the "observer" unless you're effectively redefining the term caraher Mar 2012 #22
Touché, Zurek is above my pay grade longship Mar 2012 #23
I do think we're broadly in agreement caraher Mar 2012 #26
Thanks tama Mar 2012 #27
See post 24 for answer to also this n/t tama Mar 2012 #25
Delayed choice experiment tama Mar 2012 #37
So Stuart Kaufmann is still working.. arendt Mar 2012 #2
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