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In reply to the discussion: Have We Already Won the Renewables Revolution? [View all]kristopher
(29,798 posts)4. The numbers might change your view...
http://www.nature.com/nclimate/journal/v5/n3/full/nclimate2488.html?WT.ec_id=NCLIMATE-201503
Biomass enables the transition to a carbon-negative power system across western North America
Daniel L. Sanchez, James H. Nelson, Josiah Johnston, Ana Mileva & Daniel M. Kammen
Nature Climate Change 5, 230234 (2015)
doi:10.1038/nclimate2488
Biomass enables the transition to a carbon-negative power system across western North America
Daniel L. Sanchez, James H. Nelson, Josiah Johnston, Ana Mileva & Daniel M. Kammen
Nature Climate Change 5, 230234 (2015)
doi:10.1038/nclimate2488
I think the carbon negative part is pretty important.
And if you're focused on transportation:
Biofuels vs. Biomass Electricity
Findings show that turning biomass into electricity is more beneficial than turning it into transportation fuels.
FRIDAY, MAY 8, 2009 BY TYLER HAMILTON
A study published today in Science concludes that, on average, using biomass to produce electricity is 80 percent more efficient than transforming the biomass into biofuel. In addition, the electricity option would be twice as effective at reducing greenhouse-gas emissions. The results imply that investment in an ethanol infrastructure, even if based on more efficient cellulosic processes, may prove misguided. The study was done by a collaboration between researchers at Stanford University, the Carnegie Institute of Science, and the University of California, Merced.
There's also the potential, according to the study, of capturing and storing the carbon dioxide emissions from power plants that use switchgrass, wood chips, and other biomass materials as fuel--an option that doesn't exist for burning ethanol. Biomass, even though it releases CO2 when burned, overall produces less carbon dioxide than do fossil fuels because plants grown to replenish the resource are assumed to reabsorb those emissions. Capture those combustion emissions instead and sequester them underground, and it would "result in a carbon-negative energy source that removes CO2 from the atmosphere," according to the study.
The researchers based their findings on scenarios developed under the Biofuel Analysis Meta-Model (EBAMM) created at the University of California, Berkeley. The analysis covered a range of harvested crops, including corn and switchgrass, and a number of different energy-conversion technologies. Data collected were applied to electric and combustion-engine versions of four vehicle types--small car, midsize car, small SUV, and large SUV--and their operating efficiencies during city and highway driving.
The study accounted for the energy required to convert the biomass into ethanol and electricity, as well as for the energy intensiveness of manufacturing and disposing of each vehicle type. Bioelectricity far outperformed ethanol under most scenarios, although the two did achieve similar distances when the electric vehicles--specifically the small car and large SUV--weren't designed for efficient highway driving.
The potential is even greater for the bioelectricity option because under the EBAMM model, "we did not account for heat as a [usable] by-product...
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/413406/biofuels-vs-biomass-electricity/
Findings show that turning biomass into electricity is more beneficial than turning it into transportation fuels.
FRIDAY, MAY 8, 2009 BY TYLER HAMILTON
A study published today in Science concludes that, on average, using biomass to produce electricity is 80 percent more efficient than transforming the biomass into biofuel. In addition, the electricity option would be twice as effective at reducing greenhouse-gas emissions. The results imply that investment in an ethanol infrastructure, even if based on more efficient cellulosic processes, may prove misguided. The study was done by a collaboration between researchers at Stanford University, the Carnegie Institute of Science, and the University of California, Merced.
There's also the potential, according to the study, of capturing and storing the carbon dioxide emissions from power plants that use switchgrass, wood chips, and other biomass materials as fuel--an option that doesn't exist for burning ethanol. Biomass, even though it releases CO2 when burned, overall produces less carbon dioxide than do fossil fuels because plants grown to replenish the resource are assumed to reabsorb those emissions. Capture those combustion emissions instead and sequester them underground, and it would "result in a carbon-negative energy source that removes CO2 from the atmosphere," according to the study.
The researchers based their findings on scenarios developed under the Biofuel Analysis Meta-Model (EBAMM) created at the University of California, Berkeley. The analysis covered a range of harvested crops, including corn and switchgrass, and a number of different energy-conversion technologies. Data collected were applied to electric and combustion-engine versions of four vehicle types--small car, midsize car, small SUV, and large SUV--and their operating efficiencies during city and highway driving.
The study accounted for the energy required to convert the biomass into ethanol and electricity, as well as for the energy intensiveness of manufacturing and disposing of each vehicle type. Bioelectricity far outperformed ethanol under most scenarios, although the two did achieve similar distances when the electric vehicles--specifically the small car and large SUV--weren't designed for efficient highway driving.
The potential is even greater for the bioelectricity option because under the EBAMM model, "we did not account for heat as a [usable] by-product...
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My F150 gets about 4 mpg less with E85 than E10. When I pull my trailer is goes to about 5.5 less.
tonyt53
Oct 2016
#52
e-cars just shift the dirt around if powered by coal generated electricity instead of petroleum nt
msongs
Oct 2016
#2
I don't see at all that "we as a species" have deliberately chosen renewables
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2016
#37
"the challenge is to make that work" - you were saying the revolution was already won
muriel_volestrangler
Oct 2016
#46
"And, as I said, there is no 'inertia' in economics. That's wishful thinking."
kristopher
Oct 2016
#51