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napoleon_in_rags

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34. You're awesome Tama.
Sun Apr 15, 2012, 02:50 AM
Apr 2012

I hope you know that. I've been really busy lately, but that and linked to document has been occupying my mind since I read it, like a week ago. I chose my set number as I did because it has the same amount of information as the entire set. I've been looking a lot at information theory, how it could possibly be a foundation for math. Really sort of rolling my own math, and having a lot of fun with it.

One thing about the math I'm making is every mathematical concept is tied to the amount information needed to express it. Infinite objects, like e and numbers that go on forever, exist as measurable potentials, with every measurement made on them as finite, though you make more and more accurate measurements involving more and more information: So the third measure of pi might be 3.14, the 4th 3.141, the 5th 3.1415, etc.

So I got to thinking, my system can't have an infinite number except as a potential field, so what would the measurements on an infinite prime be? Well, if you write the set numbers I described above in binary, for all the natural numbers up to n (with n increasing at each step) you get, and the naturals including zero you get:
11 =2 = {0,1}
111 = 7 = {0,1,2}
1111 = 15 = {0,1,2,3}
and so on.
So what might measurements on a certain infinite prime look like? Well, they'd be the best approximation of the number within the information constraints, and so that all the information enumerated at a point was part of the larger definition. (like with pi example above) They would have a quality of there being a prime, greater than all the finite numbers so far.

So anyway there are these primes called the Mersenne primes, which when written in binary are a long string of 1's, just like those set numbers. If you interpret these as set numbers, and calculate the sets, you get the set of all natural numbers up to but not including some prime, which plays the role of the "infinite prime" for that finite set of numbers. So if there are infinite Mersenne primes, each long set of binary one's that corresponds to the next Mersenne prime could be seen as a measurement on that infinite prime.

That thought crossed my head, and I liked it. Its like the "artists interpretation" in some old school book with painted pictures of what dinosaurs might have looked like:

You saw it when you were young, back in the days when Boards of Canada were beings streamed into our subconscious minds by an alien satellite: Its not what the author was talking about, but its the best approximation I can fit into my limited information space at this time, and with my next measure I will be closer still. We are always getting closer.

PEace

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R&K for the first math post I've seen on DU longship Mar 2012 #1
Question for math teacher - Please. At the end of the year I have 100,000 Pesos... wake.up.america Feb 2013 #43
Well, it doesn't come out even. longship Feb 2013 #44
I disagree. Is PI a rational number? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #2
Woot! for critical thinking and logic! TalkingDog Mar 2012 #3
A set of numbers is countable if it has the same cardinality as some subset of the natural numbers. Jim__ Mar 2012 #4
"there do not exist 2 integers, say n and m, such that pi can be written as n/m" napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #5
"... you know Z plus all integers of infinite length would probably have the same cardinality as R." Jim__ Mar 2012 #7
+! Hawkowl Mar 2012 #8
I will make it simpler for you. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #9
"God created the integers" one_true_leroy Mar 2012 #10
This is a teachable moment. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #11
A few points... one_true_leroy Mar 2012 #13
Yes, I've always had something of a flirtation with limits... napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #15
Had to jump in on this thread... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #22
As simply as it can be put, your statement is in direct contradiction to a Zermelo-Fraenkel axiom. Jim__ Mar 2012 #12
Awwwww hell..... one_true_leroy Mar 2012 #14
HELL yeah! I love it... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #23
Ah, my friend. You have forgotten your transfinite cardinals! napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #16
Guess again. Jim__ Mar 2012 #17
So you're saying 1+1+1...infinity is an integer? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #18
The Axiom of Infinity says that 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 ... is an integer. Jim__ Apr 2012 #19
Yeah, it guarantees the size N is infinite, not that any number in N is infinite. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #20
See post #4. Jim__ Apr 2012 #21
Nicely said... and... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #24
Now there's some interesting stuff. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #26
Wellll.... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #27
But then pi's special in its relationship... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #28
Euler's identity tama Apr 2012 #30
Just answer me one question Joseph8th. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #32
You're on an interesting track tama Apr 2012 #33
You're awesome Tama. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #34
Mersenne primes tama Apr 2012 #35
God is Alive, Magic is Afoot. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #36
Category theory tama Apr 2012 #37
I'm just incredibly glad to hear these people seeing the holes in set theory. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #39
Not quite. Dr. Strange Apr 2012 #38
.999... is not equal to 1. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #40
The problem is you can't treat infinity like a real number. Dr. Strange Apr 2012 #41
Agreed, that is the problem, but for both of us. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #42
Not much point tama Apr 2012 #31
Transcendentals are strange tama Mar 2012 #6
Da! Transcendentals are strange... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #25
Deep shit ;) tama Apr 2012 #29
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