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napoleon_in_rags

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36. God is Alive, Magic is Afoot.
Mon Apr 16, 2012, 05:46 PM
Apr 2012

Name of a good poem. But what interests me is a system that can express the magic of life, by expressing the limitations of our own knowledge. I want to formalize the the idea of the Matrix (movie), the idea we shouldn't assume the existence of anything beyond our perceptions, we don't assume the existence of anything we haven't measured or observed. Sort of a neo-constructivism, in math philosophy terms.

What happens when we do that, I am discovering, is you get a "quantum-ish" system, where the act of a measurement, or an observation, or assumption - whatever term you use - changes the system observed in some way. In my system, which is based on a stripped down probability theory, a measurement collapses a probability density function, which existed as pure potential before that event. So the argument in the video in the OP, that there exists an unlimited amount of points between any two points on the real line, isn't true in my system, all that exists is the potential to specify some point in between, an event which becomes increasingly improbable as the gap between the numbers gets smaller. Its us who builds the numbers.

So as you can see, I'm thinking about seeing us as part of the system, as co-creators of the system. Because I think that's how reality really operates. If you go watching birds, you will observe them watching you. We are part of this universe, and that should be reflected in our symbolic reasoning systems.

I will read that blog eagerly. He is in a good space. I have this idea of scaffolding, the idea of using the old math as a scaffold to define a new math. But eventually the scaffold has to be taken down, and any system has to hold based on its own axioms. So in the end you can't define this thing in terms of Hilbert spaces, you have to end up defining Hilbert spaces in terms of this thing. I for one am not a good enough mathematician to do a lot of this, my focus is on a Duke's of Hazzard simple axiom set based on information theory that normal people could get, and seeing how powerful you can make it. If I had to choose between a system that can give a few geniuses deep insight into the universe vs. one that could give everybody moderate insight, as a small d democrat I'm with the latter.

PEace and thanks for sharing Tama, I love all your posts.

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R&K for the first math post I've seen on DU longship Mar 2012 #1
Question for math teacher - Please. At the end of the year I have 100,000 Pesos... wake.up.america Feb 2013 #43
Well, it doesn't come out even. longship Feb 2013 #44
I disagree. Is PI a rational number? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #2
Woot! for critical thinking and logic! TalkingDog Mar 2012 #3
A set of numbers is countable if it has the same cardinality as some subset of the natural numbers. Jim__ Mar 2012 #4
"there do not exist 2 integers, say n and m, such that pi can be written as n/m" napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #5
"... you know Z plus all integers of infinite length would probably have the same cardinality as R." Jim__ Mar 2012 #7
+! Hawkowl Mar 2012 #8
I will make it simpler for you. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #9
"God created the integers" one_true_leroy Mar 2012 #10
This is a teachable moment. napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #11
A few points... one_true_leroy Mar 2012 #13
Yes, I've always had something of a flirtation with limits... napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #15
Had to jump in on this thread... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #22
As simply as it can be put, your statement is in direct contradiction to a Zermelo-Fraenkel axiom. Jim__ Mar 2012 #12
Awwwww hell..... one_true_leroy Mar 2012 #14
HELL yeah! I love it... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #23
Ah, my friend. You have forgotten your transfinite cardinals! napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #16
Guess again. Jim__ Mar 2012 #17
So you're saying 1+1+1...infinity is an integer? napoleon_in_rags Mar 2012 #18
The Axiom of Infinity says that 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 ... is an integer. Jim__ Apr 2012 #19
Yeah, it guarantees the size N is infinite, not that any number in N is infinite. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #20
See post #4. Jim__ Apr 2012 #21
Nicely said... and... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #24
Now there's some interesting stuff. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #26
Wellll.... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #27
But then pi's special in its relationship... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #28
Euler's identity tama Apr 2012 #30
Just answer me one question Joseph8th. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #32
You're on an interesting track tama Apr 2012 #33
You're awesome Tama. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #34
Mersenne primes tama Apr 2012 #35
God is Alive, Magic is Afoot. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #36
Category theory tama Apr 2012 #37
I'm just incredibly glad to hear these people seeing the holes in set theory. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #39
Not quite. Dr. Strange Apr 2012 #38
.999... is not equal to 1. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #40
The problem is you can't treat infinity like a real number. Dr. Strange Apr 2012 #41
Agreed, that is the problem, but for both of us. napoleon_in_rags Apr 2012 #42
Not much point tama Apr 2012 #31
Transcendentals are strange tama Mar 2012 #6
Da! Transcendentals are strange... Joseph8th Apr 2012 #25
Deep shit ;) tama Apr 2012 #29
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