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NNadir

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24. In general, I agree with this; however in many conversations I've had in my lifetime on the topic...
Sun Oct 21, 2018, 03:05 PM
Oct 2018

...I have met very few people who are willing to commit suicide to save the environment.

It is always about someone else, often Indians and Chinese. On occasion the reflection on "someone else" can border on, or even lapse into, racism.

I'm certainly attached to my life, although, again, I agree with you on the biological point of species dying off because of the accumulation of their waste products.

This, of course, with respect to yeast accounts for the existence of wine and beer. They die off from their waste before eating up everything. Certain bacteria do this as well, including those that cause fatal diseases, since they kill their "planet" - the "planet" being the victim of the disease the bacteria cause.

The problem is - and I include myself here - is most people consider themselves more important than yeast cells. Whether we are or not is a point involving philosophy or possibly spiritual views. Neither philosophy nor spiritual views, however, is likely to affect biology, which is biology nonetheless and thus subject to the laws of biochemistry, chemistry and physics.

I do think it is ethical to have fewer children - I have two which is actually below the replacement value, but in many opinions hardly low enough. (I am often lectured on my hypocrisy be people who have zero children, although my experience suggests that even among these people, very few commit suicide to show the depth of their environmental commitment to lowering the population to match the Earth's carrying capacity for human beings.)

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But Heaven forbid Monsatan lose a single penny in share value. sandensea Oct 2018 #1
Kick and recommend for visibility bronxiteforever Oct 2018 #2
Yeah, thanks Monsanto. You realize you're dooming yourselves, too, right? donkeypoofed Oct 2018 #3
It's always nice to have a bogeyman, but I suspect bogeyman hating will do absolutely nothing... NNadir Oct 2018 #4
Monsanto is not a mere bogeyman.They are a suicidal out of control, corrupted capitalist corporation Farmer-Rick Oct 2018 #7
Post removed Post removed Oct 2018 #14
You nailed it there. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #16
Exactly... NNadir Oct 2018 #18
I like your spirit, man, I hope you don't get me wrong ... mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #19
I have the full PNAS scientific paper before me. NNadir Oct 2018 #15
That's fair, but it's also fair to say that you're referencing the PNAS study mr_lebowski Oct 2018 #20
At the risk of being told I'm "pimping" for Monsanto instead of routinely "pimping" for nuclear... NNadir Oct 2018 #22
The excessive posting is a sign of a serious problem Farmer-Rick Oct 2018 #26
Biggest problem though imo is that we as a species are breeding like cstanleytech Oct 2018 #23
In general, I agree with this; however in many conversations I've had in my lifetime on the topic... NNadir Oct 2018 #24
They do not need to commit suicide they just need to be freaking responsible and reign in cstanleytech Oct 2018 #25
Rambling nonsensical pseudoscience Farmer-Rick Oct 2018 #27
This study was done deep in a protected rainforest NickB79 Oct 2018 #28
I'd be ok with a mosquito extinction event, but that's it! nt Lucky Luciano Oct 2018 #5
and bedbugs AdamGG Oct 2018 #10
and cockroaches... llmart Oct 2018 #12
I've noticed. I've always loved the bugs. BlancheSplanchnik Oct 2018 #6
Rachel Carson warned us .. DemoTex Oct 2018 #8
My all time favorite book. llmart Oct 2018 #13
We capture critters in our house and let them go outside. And we sing, "Born free.......!" hostalover Oct 2018 #9
when was the last time you had to wash insect splatter off your windshield? elmac Oct 2018 #11
That's exactly what we noticed in our travels.. mountain grammy Oct 2018 #17
I commute in East Tennessee GaYellowDawg Oct 2018 #21
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