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LadyHawkAZ

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1. Thanks for moving this
Thu Oct 18, 2012, 10:52 PM
Oct 2012

First point:

I believe that Biology determines Identity.
From that Identity come Cultures formed as certain traits are promoted & demoted based on the needs of that environment.
Those Cultures shape the Politics, the Life Views of the people in those societies.


The main premise at the base of our cultural sexual identity- the monogamy model, the one-man one-woman, pair-bonding-for-life family unit- is a lie. It is directly contrary to our biology. Everything we know about humans- from the design of our bodies to our brain chemistry to the behavior of our nearest genetic neighbors- bears this out. So right off the bat we are living with both a cultural and (for most people) personal identity that is, at its core, in opposition to our biological design.

From that one poisoned well flow all the other problems surrounding our sexuality and influencing the other aspects of our lives- everything from infidelity and divorce, to jealousy and possessiveness and violence, to Cinderella myths and Fifty Shades of Grey, to wealth-hoarding and the diet industry. We live in a constant state of war between our biology and our cultural training- and biology tends to lose out. We are so disconnected from our own nature that a person who behaves the way a human is designed to gets diagnosed with "sex addiction" and "treated" for their "disorder", while another who claims his invisible friend is watching you masturbate at night and is coming to punish you for it gets tax-free status and a congregation. That's ass-backwards, but that's our culture and it's the result of biological suppression, not nature itself.

Your ELE scenario and the discussion that triggered it- the sexual behavior of pubescent girls, flirting, preening, competing with each other to attract men- are indeed hardwired behaviors, so I'll give you half a point. But the thing is, they are competitive behaviors hardwired for times of scarce resources. There is currently no shortage of humans to mate with, certainly not in Vancouver where this all took place, any more than Vancouver has a food or shelter shortage. In a society as mobile as ours, there's no real shortage, period- it's very easy to travel somewhere close by where the pool of potential mates is much larger. Given the large available selection and the modern ease of access to it, coupled with our natural desire to have lots of sex with as many people as possible, we should by rights be fucking like bunnies. As dystopias go, we should be looking a lot more like Huxley and a lot less like Orwell- if we were actually following our hardwired biological design.

So where's the problem? Something's triggering resource-scarcity behavior in a resource-rich world, and it isn't biology. Culture has arrested our sex drive in several different ways- the promotion of the highly unnatural monogamy model, the taboos surrounding masturbation, virginity-until-marriage, the 3-5 year legal gap between onset of puberty and age of sexual consent- and this is tricking our bodies into thinking there's a sex shortage out there. We are in stiff (sorry!) competition for that one mate we are allowed, while at the same time we are presented with what amounts to the Golden Corral endless buffet of available genitalia. Cognitive dissonance sets in and human beings go nuts. And this is where you get girls, who've been brainwashed into thinking their sexuality needs to be doled out in disconnected bits to the highest bidder, ganging up on another girl who was a "slut" and showed her boobs, then slept with one of "their" men. All are displaying natural behaviors, in a sense, but only one is displaying behavior that is appropriate to the environment.

So while the behavior does have a hardwired basis, it's not being naturally triggered. It's being set off by cultural influences designed to suppress human nature, while at the same time that human nature is being given unprecedented opportunities to run free. And we wind up a very confused culture, loaded with problems like Amanda Todd.

Which brings me to second point:
Male biology & Female biology have marked differences.
For instance, it influences our approaches to sex since males drop seed easily & can walk away...
...while females have to carry that seed for 9 months eventually having a hard time walking & a harder time "harvesting" that seed until a 'baby' crop is birthed.


Some differences, certainly, but the whole seed-and-protector vs. pregnancy-investment isn't sufficient to cause the cultural shift you describe. Societies that took/take a more communal view of sexuality, more in keeping with our ape nature, also took/take a communal view of both family protection and parental duties, and to better effect- since a group can do a lot better job than one person, the women were better treated and the children were better raised when paternity (and in some cases maternity) wasn't an issue and the whole group took part. I know I brought up the Mosuo the other day, and I have read about similar cultural practices having the same result. So I would tend to doubt that male-protector model as making very little sense in the scheme of things. If I were a pregnant woman out in the wild prehistoric savannah, I'd prefer a group of guys with spears protecting me and the kids to just one guy with one spear, and if I were a guy I sure as hell wouldn't want to be all alone out there with just a spear and the lions. Our biology makes us social monkeys as well as sexual ones, and a communal group where all this is shared (sex included) would make more sense. Has made more sense, actually- it's been done.

So what happened there- I don't know. I know the theory's been put forth that agriculture happened, and the resulting shift from community sharing to personal property happened. It sounds about right. Somewhere in there, some exhausted guy alone with a spear defending "his" property against the lions or wolves or whatever, away from the social group that humans are programmed to be part of, decides the people on his property are his property, too. On down the line this sinks to the level of religious coda, some God whispers to some guy who's been eating a new kind of mushroom some rules on how that dynamic is supposed to work, and human society goes to hell. It makes sense from my point of view.

I am going to leave off there for the night since I have other things to do and this is becoming tl;dr. I'll pick it up from there tomorrow.

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