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In reply to the discussion: Ooops. I flamed. [View all]

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
17. We aren't making any claims
Wed Jun 19, 2013, 03:39 PM
Jun 2013

The problem with your post is the definition of atheism not agnosticism. The terms answer two completely different questions. Agnosticism is not a middle ground between theism and atheism. You said:

I never claimed to be an atheist I don't call myself anything. I can't claim to know the unknowable.



In this post you are indirectly implying that atheist are making a claim of some sort; you are, in a way, telling us what we believe. Atheism is a lack of belief in any god(s). It can include an active belief that there are no gods (strong or explicit atheism) as a subset of atheism, but it also includes people who neither believe in any god(s) nor believes there are no god(s) (weak or implicit atheism).

This redefining of the word atheist to only include strong atheist is a common tactic of some believers to try tell us what we believe in order to say that atheism requires as much faith as theism does...which it does not. It is also a tactic a LARGE number of people try to take in order to feel superior to both theists and atheists. This comic sort of illustrates the point:



Agnosticism claims that knowledge of the existence god(s) is unknowable. It has nothing to do with if you believe or disbelieve in any god(s). One can be an agnostic theist or an agnostic atheist. I can't speak for everyone here, but I personally don't think you meant to violate the safe haven by posting that, but saying we are making a claim of any sort is a good way of ruffling feathers.
Ooops. I flamed. [View all] Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 OP
5 since midnight BainsBane Jun 2013 #1
thank you yes. Phillip McCleod Jun 2013 #2
Post removed Post removed Jun 2013 #3
I never claimed to be an atheist BainsBane Jun 2013 #4
What part of "safe haven" don't you comprehend? n/t Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #6
I didn't attack anyone's beliefs. I never have and never will. BainsBane Jun 2013 #8
Yeah, we see what you did there Act_of_Reparation Jun 2013 #10
Huh, I thought that's what agnosticism was BainsBane Jun 2013 #15
We aren't making any claims LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #17
I understood atheist to mean a firm belief that no Deity exists BainsBane Jun 2013 #19
Looks like you have already been banned LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #5
Yeah, you're gone now, but thanks a lot. trotsky Jun 2013 #7
I wish the frequently re-appearing, always MIRT'd "atheist" troll that flames out Heddi Jun 2013 #9
I'm with you on that. trotsky Jun 2013 #11
if I were the conspiracy type, I'd say Heddi Jun 2013 #12
............. Curmudgeoness Jun 2013 #14
Thats why LostOne4Ever Jun 2013 #13
I was just paged to this thread. AtheistCrusader Jun 2013 #16
rofl Heddi Jun 2013 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin Jun 2013 #20
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