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nil desperandum

(654 posts)
20. Definitions
Fri May 9, 2014, 02:49 PM
May 2014

I find the argument that one who believes there is no god as equal to one who believes there is a god quite interesting.

I know, which is different than I believe, that there are real physical things in the universe, I know that because I can prove the existence of those things. I see them, I can measure their chemical abilities and I can map their existence. I do not believe there is a gold or iron, there is in fact a gold or iron because I can melt, smelt, and create using them.

There are no fairies or unicorns or easter bunnies because there is no physical record that these things ever existed anywhere at anytime. There are no angels, or demons, or gods because there is not now nor has there ever been any record of any of these things having ever existed anywhere at any time.

If someone wishes to believe in fairy tales that's problematic for me because it brings into question what level of judgment the view the world with on a daily basis.

For me we are a simple accident of cosmic chemistry, an accident of life in a universe devoid of life beyond microbes and building blocks. We evolved into the apex predators after a cataclysmic collision annihilated the previous apex predators and changed the oxygen content of the planet so that those large lifeforms could no longer exist.

Religion to me has always been a mystery, I was asked to leave catechism as a young catholic because I asked to many uncomfortable questions. The same was true when i attend a methodist church after leaving the catholic church. At about 16 it occurred to me that all of that religion was no more than the ramblings of people similar to the ancient celtic shamans making stuff up from whole cloth to control the ignorant masses.

I did get some crap in the military for having "no preference" on my dog tags where preferred religion was supposed to be but it was never a big deal to me.

I am not surprised that the large number of religious believers, science has always been viewed suspiciously throughout our history. Those who would dare investigate their world instead of just accepting the views and laws of the high priests of the time.

If someone wants to believe in god, whatever floats their boat I guess. I'm not here to bust their bubble until they start trying to convince me there is validity to their claims of magic as power.

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How do you define atheism? [View all] LostOne4Ever May 2014 OP
I define it as a 'failure to launch'. AtheistCrusader May 2014 #1
I want to go on the record LostOne4Ever May 2014 #2
Personally, ChairmanAgnostic May 2014 #3
Atheism: "Pending further evidence, I reject your magical sky man proposition." Bryce Butler May 2014 #4
The word is self-explanatory pscot May 2014 #5
Exactly. trotsky May 2014 #7
They're not 'making it difficult'. They are attempting to validate their special pleading by AtheistCrusader May 2014 #12
I side with the Greeks on this one Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #6
Isn't the belief that there is no god the same thing as Brainstormy May 2014 #8
no. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #14
Warren's got it exactly right. EvolveOrConvolve May 2014 #19
No, because belief and knowledge aren't the same thing. Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #22
Most people would say that Brainstormy May 2014 #30
I misread your post :\ Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #57
You are a gnostic atheist. LiberalAndProud May 2014 #51
Eh, a belief that there is no god-thing is the same as a belief that there is... malthaussen May 2014 #9
It is an issue when belief in the improbable magical sky being is then Warren Stupidity May 2014 #17
Logically equivilant, yes. malthaussen May 2014 #18
Can you point to ANY atheists skepticscott May 2014 #35
Yep. malthaussen May 2014 #36
Nice dodge skepticscott May 2014 #38
Eh, human behavior is subject to the tyranny of the bell-curve. malthaussen May 2014 #39
Another nice dodge skepticscott May 2014 #44
Im trying to keep my involvement in this thread to a minimal LostOne4Ever May 2014 #46
Agreed skepticscott May 2014 #48
I just don't believe in any gods. JNelson6563 May 2014 #10
I'd go with that definition. onager May 2014 #13
Well said, as usual. :) JNelson6563 May 2014 #16
Hey, that definition works for me. uriel1972 May 2014 #32
Not as a "non-belief," for sure ... Auggie May 2014 #11
An atheist is a person who doesn't believe in a god or gods. Iggo May 2014 #15
Definitions nil desperandum May 2014 #20
Definitions, indeed. malthaussen May 2014 #40
If you're here to tout "other ways of knowing" skepticscott May 2014 #47
Lack of belief in any god(s) LeftishBrit May 2014 #21
The Father Christmas reference... onager May 2014 #24
Speaking only for me... Solly Mack May 2014 #23
A lack of sufficient evidence. Promethean May 2014 #25
The Theists tried to plant questions in our heads Mr.Bill May 2014 #26
Personally, I don't believe in god because I don't believe god exists Heddi May 2014 #27
Not theism. It's like being pregnant. Either you're pregnant or you're not. valerief May 2014 #28
The way I see it, atheism is a lack of belief in any god or gods. Curmudgeoness May 2014 #29
Lack of belief in Gods. bravenak May 2014 #31
+1. deucemagnet May 2014 #49
non-theist defacto7 May 2014 #33
Lack of belief in any gods TxDemChem May 2014 #34
Atheism is a state of being unconvinced skepticscott May 2014 #37
Raises the question of what would constitute convincing evidence... malthaussen May 2014 #41
There is convincing evidence that the moon exists skepticscott May 2014 #45
This video is a great start. Promethean May 2014 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalAndProud May 2014 #54
I have no knowledge of frogmarch May 2014 #42
Yep. It's not a lack or an absence of belief. Iggo May 2014 #43
I'm an apatheist mr blur May 2014 #50
Thanks! skepticscott May 2014 #55
Ah, that was suposed to be a joke, mr blur May 2014 #56
and I don't care. AlbertCat May 2014 #60
As a lack of belief. jaded_old_cynic May 2014 #52
The disbelief, or lack of belief, in gods sakabatou May 2014 #58
To echo many previous responses Beearewhyain May 2014 #59
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