Atheists & Agnostics

GliderGuider

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15. 0. To paraphrase Jung, "I do not believe, I do not know."

Tue Jan 17, 2012, 12:59 PM

Jan 2012

If I knew, there would be no reason to believe. Even though I don't not know, there still seems to be no reason to believe either for or against the proposition.

What can result from belief or disbelief except unwarranted certainty? Is there a value to unwarranted certainty? I don't see one - it's simply dogma.

I prefer to live with the uncertainty - that at least seems to be a useful personal exercise.

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Spectrum of theistic probability [View all] Armin-A Jan 2012 OP

6 laconicsax Jan 2012 #1

Also a 6 EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2012 #2

There's one more position GliderGuider Jan 2012 #3

And once again we see someone misuderstand the difference between knowledge and belief. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #4

Not at all. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #9

Some things really are binary, no matter how much you might deny it. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #19

Some things are binary. This is not one of them. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #20

Sorry, Guider, but you're wrong about this. laconicsax Jan 2012 #21

If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #22

It's not a belief on my part. laconicsax Jan 2012 #23

I have no problem with that. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #25

OK, let me back up and take another run at this GliderGuider Jan 2012 #27

I may be wrong here but... Armin-A Jan 2012 #29

For me the problem is in the word "know" GliderGuider Jan 2012 #30

OK, so let's take your chosen questions, and your answers, and provide definitions: darkstar3 Jan 2012 #36

Fortunately, I self-identify as an atheist. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #37

Then I challenge you to explain this subthread, darkstar3 Jan 2012 #39

I really hate labels. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #40

And how can you expect to communicate effectively with others darkstar3 Jan 2012 #42

That is a cross I'll have to bear, I guess ;-) GliderGuider Jan 2012 #51

but you are always on one side of the line or the other... or right on it Armin-A Jan 2012 #5

and if you don't know.. you are probably Armin-A Jan 2012 #6

Regarding objective gods I'm a weak atheist. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #8

Are you? GliderGuider Jan 2012 #7

I say im 6.99 Armin-A Jan 2012 #10

Anyone else that has the same thinking as me get annoyed when people try to call you agnostic.... Armin-A Jan 2012 #16

I don't know if there are any gods OriginalGeek Jan 2012 #11

6.9 too, because I can't know. (nt) mr blur Jan 2012 #12

6.9 too, because I can't know. AlbertCat Jan 2012 #14

6+ Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #13

0. To paraphrase Jung, "I do not believe, I do not know." GliderGuider Jan 2012 #15

Let's think about this...too much rvt1000rr Jan 2012 #17

well our group is atheists and agnostics Armin-A Jan 2012 #18

I really doubt it, so six. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #24

Another 6+ here nt uriel1972 Jan 2012 #26

6 amyrose2712 Jan 2012 #28

On this scale? 6 montanto Jan 2012 #31

EIGHT! There is no reason at all for human beings to even ever be... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #32

Nitpick: I think your numbers are off laconicsax Jan 2012 #41

You are probably closer to correct, and I appreciate your fact-checks.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #46

I like peacefully coexist. laconicsax Jan 2012 #47

Certainly not with viruses and retro-viruses! Can't coexist with.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #48

Some retroviruses are fine. laconicsax Jan 2012 #49

Not really independently viable, are they? MarkCharles Jan 2012 #50

basically... Armin-A Jan 2012 #53

if you prefer text Armin-A Jan 2012 #54

I think you're posting this in the wrong group :P Armin-A Jan 2012 #52

I think I am a 6. n/t RebelOne Jan 2012 #33

6 Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #34

7 lindysalsagal Jan 2012 #35

I'm very close to a 7 (6.95?) BlueJazz Jan 2012 #38

I accept the null hypothesis until proven otherwise... rexcat Jan 2012 #43

Why so shrill? laconicsax Jan 2012 #44

Well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rexcat Jan 2012 #45