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beam me up scottie

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Thu Sep 11, 2014, 09:30 PM Sep 2014

Bryan Fischer Calls For Atheists To Be Banned From Serving In The Armed Forces [View all]

I posted this in GD but it sank like a stone: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025520989



No atheist should be permitted to serve in the U.S. military

From Right Wing Watch

One of the very first posts we ever wrote about the American Family Association's Bryan Fischer highlighted a column he wrote calling for Muslims to be banned from serving in the military. That was nearly five years ago and now Fischer is finally getting around to calling for atheists to be banned from serving in the U.S. armed forces as well.

Responding to a situation in which an airman was denied his request to re-enlist in the Air Force because he refuses to take an oath containing the phrase "so help me God," Fischer asserts that atheists should be prohibited from serving in all braches of the military because "there is no place in the United States military for those who do not believe in the Creator who is the source of every single one of our fundamental human and civil rights":

Our military exists to uphold and defend our Constitution, and the Constitution in turn identifies the "unalienable rights" the Declaration refers to that our government is obligated to protect.

These rights do not come from government, they do not come from the commander-in-chief, and they most certainly do not come from some activist judge. They come from God himself. We are not evolved, as this wannabe-enlistee believes, but we are "created," and "endowed by (our) Creator with certain unalienable rights."

This is an absolutely foundational, non-negotiable, bed-rock American principle: there is a Creator - with a capital "C" (you could look it up) - and he and he alone is the source of the very rights the military exists to protect and defend.

An individual who does not understand and believe this has no right to serve in the U.S. military. Military service should rightly be reserved for those who believe in and are willing to die for what America stands for - and what America stands for is a belief in God as the source of our rights.

A man who doesn't believe in the Creator the Founders trusted certainly can live in America without being troubled for being a fool. But he most certainly should not wear the uniform.

The other branches of the military do not require the same oath - yet. But they should. Military service should be reserved for genuine Americans and genuine Americans, like the Founders, believe in God.



In the original column he informs us that


Congress agrees. It is actually a matter of statutory law that every enlistee and every officer must take an oath that ends with “So help me God.” U.S. Code, Title 10, Section 502 reads as follows :

(a) Enlistment Oath.—Each person enlisting in an armed force shall take the following oath:

“I, XXXXXXXXXX, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.”



Serving in the military is a privilege, not a constitutional right. And it should be reserved for those who have America's values engraved on their hearts.

Naturally, the American Humanist Association, which has never seen a constitutional liberty it respects, intends to challenge this decision.

This case should be thrown out of court. The Constitution nowhere gives the federal judiciary any authority to set military policy. That's reserved for Congress and Congress alone.

(The "religious test" referred to in Article VI of the Constitution is a reference to a detailed or specific Christian statement of faith, and refers to elective or appointive office and not to military service. States, under the Constitution written by the Founders, can require any kind of religious test they want, and Article VI was designed to protect that power and reserve it for the States.)




I guess this means that my honorable discharge should be replaced with a dishonorable one and all records of my service scrubbed.





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Fine. drm604 Sep 2014 #1
Well it would kinda suck for my older brother. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #3
It wasn't a serious statement. drm604 Sep 2014 #5
Oh I know. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #8
Let the theists go risk their lives protecting the atheists who are sitting safely at home. AlbertCat Sep 2014 #24
Whenever I think I have heard it all, Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #2
I've read right here on DU that Democracy was invented by christians. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #6
Don't believe everything you read on the internet. Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #7
I always love the line Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #11
That will come in handy Mr.Bill Sep 2014 #4
I was not allowed to have 'atheist' on my dog tags. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #9
Civil rights??? Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #10
Oh, he's no rookie. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #12
I give..... Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #13
If nobody listened to the extremists we could shrug it off. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #14
I can't even imagine n/t Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #15
A little off topic Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #16
I think there was a more recent one posted in R/T. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #17
Thanks Scottie for the info Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #18
lol! beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #19
That sure throws a monkey wrench defacto7 Sep 2014 #20
He can take it up with these guys... onager Sep 2014 #21
You know this isn't surprising. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #22
.. mr blur Sep 2014 #23
Wow, just wow AlbertCat Sep 2014 #25
I generally ignore bigoted assholes like this douchebag. cleanhippie Sep 2014 #26
As an Idahoan, I keep having to apologize for this dickhole EvolveOrConvolve Sep 2014 #27
Great! That would be the easiest way out of the army in, well ever. enki23 Sep 2014 #28
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