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Cartoonist

(7,579 posts)
Tue Sep 16, 2014, 04:22 AM Sep 2014

Religion and abortion [View all]

I was barred from another group for my comments on abortion. Since it was a group and not general discussion, my banishment was made easy. So I decided to air some comments here with my homies to enjoy the same protection.

First, I am an atheist. I do not believe in a spiritual soul or an afterlife. As to what defines our personality or humanity, my thoughts are unclear. In any case, I reject the idea of an omnipotent creator.

There's one aspect of the abortion issue that I feel exposes the pro-lifers as not what they pretend to be. Often I'll hear the statement from someone saying they're glad they weren't aborted. This makes sense only if one is an atheist. It makes no sense at all for someone who believes in the soul and afterlife. Let me explain, though this ain't gonna be easy.

So God, supposedly, has this big bag of souls he inserts into bodies. When does this insertion take place? Many religious people contend that He does so at the moment of inception. So what happens to the souls of the aborted? Since they were never born, they are sinless, so it would be wrong to send them to Hell. What crime did they commit? Surely no loving and just God would send an unborn child to Hell. Therefore, they must go to Heaven. They get to skip all of life's foibles and temptations and go straight to Paradise. That doesn't sound so bad. Who could have a problem with that?
Maybe He catches them during ascension and puts them back in the bag to be reinserted later in another fertilized egg. Therefore, no one really gets aborted, just reconfigured. If I was a soul, would I prefer to be inserted into a home that doesn't want me or one with a loving mother? I choose B. Who wouldn't? So who are anti-abortionists advocating? Not the souls, clearly.

Did any of that make sense?

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Religion and abortion [View all] Cartoonist Sep 2014 OP
It made as much sense as anything anyone says about souls muriel_volestrangler Sep 2014 #1
Yep, the concept of souls is just something you can't question too much. trotsky Sep 2014 #4
I get what you're saying. JNelson6563 Sep 2014 #2
People who oppose general access to abortion on religious grounds can fuck right off. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #3
Clarification Cartoonist Sep 2014 #5
You're not in the blocked list. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #6
that user is on the blocked list of HoF alp227 Sep 2014 #9
It was reported that he was blocked at 11:18 am. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #11
Yeah, the GUID looking name at the bottom of the list was the last one visible at the time. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #14
You rock. Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #10
You couldn't be luckier Curmudgeoness Sep 2014 #35
Are you aware that some of our "homies" enjoy both groups? beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #7
+1 AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #15
pardon my ignorance RussBLib Sep 2014 #20
Basically it boils down to attacking the members of the discussion board, rather than the ideas AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #21
gotcha. thanks mucho. n/t RussBLib Sep 2014 #27
+2 PeaceNikki Sep 2014 #19
Groups and Forums Cartoonist Sep 2014 #22
Here's what I would do. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #24
I am partially following your advice Cartoonist Sep 2014 #28
That's why I gave you the benefit of the doubt. AtheistCrusader Sep 2014 #30
Thanks for being reasonable Cartoonist Sep 2014 #32
No, you don't get to do that. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #26
OK, I get it now, really. Cartoonist Sep 2014 #31
No, you don't. beam me up scottie Sep 2014 #33
The Vatican unwittingly kicked out the underpinnings of its antiabortion stance Warpy Sep 2014 #8
I don't think Gelliebeans Sep 2014 #12
I don't think too many people either inside the Vatican Warpy Sep 2014 #13
It's not about the baby souls. It's about the anti-abortionists' souls. enki23 Sep 2014 #18
As to what defines our personality or humanity, my thoughts are unclear. AlbertCat Sep 2014 #16
I follow your science logic Cartoonist Sep 2014 #23
I don't think it ever was a question of soul, or hellfire, or damnation. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #17
I would make one change Cartoonist Sep 2014 #25
Yes. Wealth-building is a factor. LiberalAndProud Sep 2014 #29
Here is the argument I would use against that if I were religious: Gore1FL Sep 2014 #34
I follow you. TxDemChem Sep 2014 #36
Thanks for the discussion Cartoonist Sep 2014 #37
I'm locking this thread while the hosts discuss the situation - EDIT: unlocked EvolveOrConvolve Sep 2014 #38
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