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GliderGuider

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37. Fortunately, I self-identify as an atheist.
Thu Jan 19, 2012, 11:00 PM
Jan 2012

Always have, always will. I have gone from strong to weak over the years, but I'm still an atheist in the way that question is commonly asked. It's not all that I am, philosophically speaking, but it's enough to get me by in day-to-day conversation.

The myths that you reference seem fairly specifically American - I doubt that many other English-speaking people (or the majority of Europeans, for that matter) share them. Certainly I haven't rrun einto many of them here in Canada, even as a child in the 1950s going to a one-room school in a conservative farming community. the US has some strange burr under its saddle when it comes to religion. This is my take on those "myths":

1. Atheists are not people who lack belief, but rather people who actively disbelieve in God.

Atheists are not only people who lack belief, but also people who actively disbelieve in God. I use the terms "weak" and strong" for those positions.

2. Atheists are so mean and hateful that no one wants to be associated with them by label.

This one seems to me to be the most specifically American of the set, and is purely a self-validation belief. The worst I've ever had tossed at me even by fundies here in Canuckistan was that my life "must be" empty.

3. Atheism is an illogical, irrational, and untenable position, and should be abandoned en masse for the far superior position of agnosticism.

This one usually comes up because people don't understand what agnosticism actually is. I've never encountered this one IRL.

4. Atheism isn't real, because everyone has to believe in something.

Most people believe they have to believe in things. The problem with this one is both that it is a logical fallacy and that it ignores the multiplicity of other things there are for atheists to believe. From my POV disbelief is still belief, but in this context that's only applicable to strong atheism.

5. Atheists are just closed-minded because they can't accept possibilities.

This sounds to me like a projection by theists with authoritarian personality traits. Anybody can be closed minded, regardless of their position on the existence of God, and usually closed-mindedness is the result of an authoritarian personality type. I think it shows up in fundamentalist theists more than strong atheists because the certainty of the positive belief is attractive to rigid authoritarian psychologies.

My position on my atheism isn't that I'm not an atheist (which I definitely am), but that I find other aspects of the psychology of belief and non-belief much more compelling than whether or not I believe in a completely anthropomorphic god-image.

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6 laconicsax Jan 2012 #1
Also a 6 EvolveOrConvolve Jan 2012 #2
There's one more position GliderGuider Jan 2012 #3
And once again we see someone misuderstand the difference between knowledge and belief. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #4
Not at all. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #9
Some things really are binary, no matter how much you might deny it. darkstar3 Jan 2012 #19
Some things are binary. This is not one of them. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #20
Sorry, Guider, but you're wrong about this. laconicsax Jan 2012 #21
If that's what you believe, then that's what you believe. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #22
It's not a belief on my part. laconicsax Jan 2012 #23
I have no problem with that. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #25
OK, let me back up and take another run at this GliderGuider Jan 2012 #27
I may be wrong here but... Armin-A Jan 2012 #29
For me the problem is in the word "know" GliderGuider Jan 2012 #30
OK, so let's take your chosen questions, and your answers, and provide definitions: darkstar3 Jan 2012 #36
Fortunately, I self-identify as an atheist. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #37
Then I challenge you to explain this subthread, darkstar3 Jan 2012 #39
I really hate labels. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #40
And how can you expect to communicate effectively with others darkstar3 Jan 2012 #42
That is a cross I'll have to bear, I guess ;-) GliderGuider Jan 2012 #51
but you are always on one side of the line or the other... or right on it Armin-A Jan 2012 #5
and if you don't know.. you are probably Armin-A Jan 2012 #6
Regarding objective gods I'm a weak atheist. GliderGuider Jan 2012 #8
Are you? GliderGuider Jan 2012 #7
I say im 6.99 Armin-A Jan 2012 #10
Anyone else that has the same thinking as me get annoyed when people try to call you agnostic.... Armin-A Jan 2012 #16
I don't know if there are any gods OriginalGeek Jan 2012 #11
6.9 too, because I can't know. (nt) mr blur Jan 2012 #12
6.9 too, because I can't know. AlbertCat Jan 2012 #14
6+ Goblinmonger Jan 2012 #13
0. To paraphrase Jung, "I do not believe, I do not know." GliderGuider Jan 2012 #15
Let's think about this...too much rvt1000rr Jan 2012 #17
well our group is atheists and agnostics Armin-A Jan 2012 #18
I really doubt it, so six. nt ZombieHorde Jan 2012 #24
Another 6+ here nt uriel1972 Jan 2012 #26
6 amyrose2712 Jan 2012 #28
On this scale? 6 montanto Jan 2012 #31
EIGHT! There is no reason at all for human beings to even ever be... MarkCharles Jan 2012 #32
Nitpick: I think your numbers are off laconicsax Jan 2012 #41
You are probably closer to correct, and I appreciate your fact-checks.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #46
I like peacefully coexist. laconicsax Jan 2012 #47
Certainly not with viruses and retro-viruses! Can't coexist with.. MarkCharles Jan 2012 #48
Some retroviruses are fine. laconicsax Jan 2012 #49
Not really independently viable, are they? MarkCharles Jan 2012 #50
basically... Armin-A Jan 2012 #53
if you prefer text Armin-A Jan 2012 #54
I think you're posting this in the wrong group :P Armin-A Jan 2012 #52
I think I am a 6. n/t RebelOne Jan 2012 #33
6 Starboard Tack Jan 2012 #34
7 lindysalsagal Jan 2012 #35
I'm very close to a 7 (6.95?) BlueJazz Jan 2012 #38
I accept the null hypothesis until proven otherwise... rexcat Jan 2012 #43
Why so shrill? laconicsax Jan 2012 #44
Well!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! rexcat Jan 2012 #45
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