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onager

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12. Ask 10 Muslims, you'll get 10 different opinions...
Mon Jan 26, 2015, 04:50 PM
Jan 2015


Just like any other group of humans. I knew one Muslim who had no problem with atheism. He was well-educated and generally liberal. Except on the subject of adultery - for that, he wanted the traditional sharia penalty imposed on both parties - death. I have no idea if that was because of some personal experience, but I doubt it. I went to his wedding, where he married his first wife.

Knew another guy who spent some time in the US, and fell head-over-heels for an American woman. He was already married and actually mulled over the idea of making her his second wife...which he could theoretically do under Islam. Oh, almost forgot the punch line - that woman he fell for? She was Jewish. I can't even imagine the complexity of that problem, even if she was a "secular" American Jew. AFAIK, spouses who marry Muslims are still absolutely required to convert.

I knew a couple in Saudi Arabia who faced that problem, except the husband was an atheist. The bride's father insisted he convert to Islam, so he did. But he never meant it for a second. His wife didn't seem to have any problem with that. Lovely couple and the two of them made some excellent homemade brandy. Tasted a lot like Courvoisier.

So just an example - several different Muslims, several different ways of thinking.

Total change of subject - to understand modern radical Islam, I think one good place to start is Sayyid Qutb.

And you should probably start with Fi Zilal al-Quran (In the Shade of the Qur'an) - his 30-volume commentary on the Koran.

Just kidding. Qutb spent some time in the United States, and it didn't liberalize him a bit - the experience horrified him. Especially the open mixing of the sexes, and the way uppity women went around wearing whatever they wanted. He was especially outraged when he went to a dance held IN A CHURCH and couples were slow-dancing together!

Strictly IMO, as always, but I think just about every current seed of radical Islam sprouted from Qutb's fields of bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayyid_Qutb



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I've never claimed to know everything. Tobin S. Jan 2015 #1
Valid advice for everyone. trotsky Jan 2015 #2
And I don't believe I've tried to declare what Islam is AlbertCat Jan 2015 #5
And that is very well put. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #6
That "not monolithic" applies to the acts too. jeff47 Jan 2015 #7
I don't think anyone knows enough, other than the participants themselves... trotsky Jan 2015 #9
If they had the same motivation, they'd be doing the same things. jeff47 Jan 2015 #13
Now that's not true at all. trotsky Jan 2015 #18
If they're all seeking to kill infidels in order to go to heaven jeff47 Jan 2015 #19
Yet some may choose different means. trotsky Jan 2015 #21
And he couldn't give the money before exploding because..........? jeff47 Jan 2015 #22
Or he's got connections and is actively funneling the money in. trotsky Jan 2015 #23
So now you're arguing that everyone in NASA is monolithic? jeff47 Jan 2015 #24
Nope, I said "lots of" (not all) people doing different jobs at NASA are all motivated... trotsky Jan 2015 #25
When one points out atheist ex muslims here they invariably Warren Stupidity Jan 2015 #3
And thus you get the wonderful double standard... trotsky Jan 2015 #11
This looks to me like a Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #4
The comments seem to indicate... onager Jan 2015 #8
Speaking for myself, I like to get first-hand information. Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #10
Ask 10 Muslims, you'll get 10 different opinions... onager Jan 2015 #12
I don't think we're being told to STFU so much as we are being told to listen. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #14
I agree that ex-Muslims Curmudgeoness Jan 2015 #15
Took the title for satire... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #16
When I think of Muslims Cartoonist Jan 2015 #17
Seth Andrews popped a really quotation on his most recent radio show... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2015 #20
That's an ace of a quote right there. n/t trotsky Jan 2015 #26
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