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Exultant Democracy

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90. I'll then use you as my example. Using the term barbarian to describe brown people is racist.

Fri Feb 13, 2015, 06:49 PM

Feb 2015

Thanks for proving my point right here in AA. You can pretend it isn't racist but the term barbarian isn't really up for debate, the genesis of the term is steeped in the proto-rasicm of the Greeks and it's history in association with western imperialism and rise of the modern institution of racism is as well established as the word nigger.

The fact that you don't think using the term barbarian is problematic is an example of the very problem I am talking about. For over 2000 year every time white people have been calling brown people barbarians, it is just as sad to see these primitive modes of though today as watching people worship their ancient sky gods.

Let me add that on the measure I think pretty highly of you. That doesn't change that you seem to have serious blinders on this issue.

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Oh it's entirely possible he did it because he hates Muslims. trotsky Feb 2015 #1

Sorry, already sick of cowardly atheists skepticscott Feb 2015 #2

Yes...yes and yeeessssss amuse bouche Feb 2015 #30

nope, won't do it, hollysmom Feb 2015 #3

Are atheists JUST atheists? AlbertCat Feb 2015 #4

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The spin I am seeing from others now is... trotsky Feb 2015 #14

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But it also doesn't have any doctrines NOT to murder therefore it's responsible that way!' AlbertCat Feb 2015 #107

Again with the admonitions that we should just shush. LiberalAndProud Feb 2015 #6

Sorry, there are enough anti-atheist people round here, mr blur Feb 2015 #7

there are two more recs Lordquinton Feb 2015 #27

I've seen some real anti-muslim full on ignorant racism here Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #8

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Only if your being myopic and reductionist to an absurd degree. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #10

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If you want to see what absurd looks like... cleanhippie Feb 2015 #112

Muslim is not a race. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #18

They used the coded language of racism to talk about brown people, shoe fits they are racist. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #29

Please provide links for statements on DU that you consider examples Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #55

That would be a call out and aginst TOS. But the racist stupidity is strong here nuf said? Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #58

call outs are not against the TOS. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #63

"racist stupidity is strong here" ? RussBLib Feb 2015 #68

As I said they used the coded language of racism to talk about brown people. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #69

still seeking evidence RussBLib Feb 2015 #70

Asking for evidence of something that is omnipresent is disturbing and problematic in itself. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #75

this is why I asked you what "here" meant RussBLib Feb 2015 #86

One of the links was to an AA thread.But yes it isn't even close to as bad here as the rest of DU Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #87

Those are some pretty serious accusations. trotsky Feb 2015 #71

Here are a few gems from DU Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #73

"ISIS scumbags" trotsky Feb 2015 #74

There are also posts saying savages and barabrians, don't cherry pick. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #76

OK then you need to link to specific posts. trotsky Feb 2015 #78

I'll then use you as my example. Using the term barbarian to describe brown people is racist. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #90

For over 2000 years, white people have also been calling white people barbarians muriel_volestrangler Feb 2015 #172

Wow. That is some weak sauce. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #81

Link 1: Post 1 try looking with your eyes next time. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #91

I think Clarence Thomas is a scumbag EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #94

Point me to the racist people. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #83

Post 78 right here, using the term barbarian to describe people of color is always racist. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #93

I've only seen one person use the term 'savage' around here, and that person is not an atheist. AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #96

Always? Why? Because YOU say so? skepticscott Feb 2015 #98

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #103

The word "barbarian" has far older roots than that skepticscott Feb 2015 #105

You can pretend the last 500 years didn't happen AlbertCat Feb 2015 #108

you do know that some members of isis are just plain old white, right? Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #99

If it's "racist" to call ISIS terrorists barbarians, what would you prefer we call them? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #101

Post removed Post removed Feb 2015 #102

You know what I think? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #104

This was interesting.... AlbertCat Feb 2015 #109

Don't know if you remember the kerfuffle here at DU about the word niggardly EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #110

Didn't see that, but it doesn't surprise me skepticscott Feb 2015 #115

+1000 skepticscott Feb 2015 #114

Just wanted to mention that atheists don't fare well in those areas either. LiberalAndProud Feb 2015 #122

Post 78 is not racist in the least. Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #113

As I said they used the coded language of racism to talk about brown people. AlbertCat Feb 2015 #106

Check back to the Bill Maher/Ben Affleck discussions Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #123

Hey Bobby, could you provide a link and cite some specific examples? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #129

No, problem, Betty...I got an example right here. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #132

It depends how one criticizes Islam cpwm17 Feb 2015 #137

Robby, that person is referring to beliefs and not to people EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #138

Betty, she condemns everybody who subscribes to Islam. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #141

For a newcomer, your knowledge of things here is skepticscott Feb 2015 #142

Think harder, skeptic Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #145

Oh look, it's free-association hour in the Prewitt household EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #148

Personal attack? Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #150

You do understand that's a signature, right? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #151

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Your desire to do your homework before posting skepticscott Feb 2015 #163

I agree to a point. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #164

Ah yes...and you probably find the use of the word skepticscott Feb 2015 #165

Are you always so dramatic? Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #169

Do you always misrepresent what other people say? skepticscott Feb 2015 #173

Welcome to DU... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2015 #174

Yes, and some folk have their self-righteous campaign skepticscott Feb 2015 #197

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Laundry day in Mexico, ST? cleanhippie Feb 2015 #177

Yes, you did. You 'misrepresented' my words. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #180

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lol, profanity isn't vulgar or 'frenzied' to me. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #182

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So serious! PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #184

Funny that our little friend skepticscott Feb 2015 #196

I knew it wouldn't last. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #198

I'm sure he's out there right now skepticscott Feb 2015 #199

There are so many quotes from "What About Bob?" that are running through my head now. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #200

I'm not sure, Bob, if you're being serious EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #144

Im not sure, Betty, if you're being serious Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #147

We haven't had anything to talk about since you first jumped into the conversation EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #149

No, n00b, I criticized "it", the ideology. PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #146

Don't hurt my feelings...:) Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #152

You pointed out what I said and you were wrong on "implied". PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #161

I was asolutely right about what you said and implied. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #162

What is/was your other/previous name here? You've obviously been banned or locked out of this thread PeaceNikki Feb 2015 #168

Good night. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #170

Enjoy your short stay. mr blur Feb 2015 #175

Every sailor knows you don't take a starboard tack in rough seas. cleanhippie Feb 2015 #179

FYI... Beearewhyain Feb 2015 #186

Yes, it seems he's gone skepticscott Feb 2015 #195

Did he come here on a boat? Lordquinton Feb 2015 #171

Look at the blocked memebers list for this group... cleanhippie Feb 2015 #178

All religions are poisonous. nt valerief Feb 2015 #11

So what if it was all about religion Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #13

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This. trotsky Feb 2015 #17

Anybody else checked Hicks' "likes" on Facebook? onager Feb 2015 #19

I didn't notice until just now that the piece in the OP came from Raw Story. trotsky Feb 2015 #20

Yeah, fuck them. Goblinmonger Feb 2015 #21

Bill and Neil need to denounce him immediately! progressoid Feb 2015 #22

there is something weird about neo-atheism that particularly targets Muslims La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #23

gee, do you think it might have something to do with.... RussBLib Feb 2015 #24

no, i think its bigotry. FGM has existed long before Islam La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #26

Oh really! We have Christian preachers across the country preaching a pro-war message cpwm17 Feb 2015 #28

What a load of crap. onager Feb 2015 #32

My point stands cpwm17 Feb 2015 #33

The poster made no such claim. onager Feb 2015 #34

I didn't mention anything about any racists posts here. cpwm17 Feb 2015 #35

my only point is that today's radical Muslims.... RussBLib Feb 2015 #41

I think you Gelliebeans Feb 2015 #53

It has reached meme status. trotsky Feb 2015 #37

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I think its because the old meme, AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #118

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+1000 cpwm17 Feb 2015 #125

Is your a picture an example of people promoting hatred against an individual? Lordquinton Feb 2015 #127

I'm an atheist cpwm17 Feb 2015 #131

So you double down on mischaractizing Lordquinton Feb 2015 #135

In things that really matter the most, Sam Harris supports the wars against Muslims cpwm17 Feb 2015 #140

I couldn't have said it better. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #153

Have you read the pinned post about faitheists? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #154

Faitheist, huh? Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #159

It's not an "article" EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #192

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Sean Carroll isn't allowed? Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #160

Thank you cpwm17 Feb 2015 #188

But you feel the need to baselessly attack him to do so Lordquinton Feb 2015 #166

If you think that you have defended Sam Harris, I can't help you. cpwm17 Feb 2015 #185

What does the phrase "unconscionable act of self-defense" mean to you? Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #189

More deranged racist B/S from Sam Harris. cpwm17 Feb 2015 #187

Would you consider the organization that just beheaded 20+ migrant workers in Libya Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #190

Can you defend your indefensible mischaracterization of the out-of-context Harris quote? Gore1FL Feb 2015 #201

And will you also be advocating skepticscott Feb 2015 #128

The Republican Party is not the same thing as "Muslims" Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #130

They are both "groups" and "groups" were the subject of your demand skepticscott Feb 2015 #133

I said "groups" as in "groups of individuals." Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #134

Ah, so it's our fault that Hicks killed three people? EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #156

Nice delusion. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #158

I think there is something about American culture Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #25

neo-atheists? uriel1972 Feb 2015 #36

That is the new way to condemn atheists Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #39

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Adorable cats! And they are atheists, too! JDDavis Feb 2015 #42

Cats aren't atheists; they know they're the true Gods arcane1 Feb 2015 #157

OMG, you are the worst kind of atheist! Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #43

Aw, only time? But they're such handsome kitties! Rob H. Feb 2015 #89

Yup, that "definition" is dead on. trotsky Feb 2015 #47

There is middle ground. Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #136

I don't disagree that we can respect each other's belief Curmudgeoness Feb 2015 #139

Complete agreement Robert Prewitt Feb 2015 #143

1. i am an atheist. 2. just because you have not heard something La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #49

I was not criticising you... uriel1972 Feb 2015 #85

Before your post, the only time I've heard the term "neo-atheist" used EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #92

There definitely is. trotsky Feb 2015 #38

Please post all the links for "new" atheist leaders calling for the killing of religious people. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #44

did i say that? i said i found their islam focused atheism troubling. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #46

The focus is on religious people acting on their religious beliefs and doing really shitty things Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #50

again please dont deliberately misconstrue what i said to suit your argument. La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #51

So what is it exactly that "neo" atheist leaders are saying that you think motivated this person? Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #54

either in your great desire to attack me, you didn't read the article or my response to it La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #57

Or option 3. "The lady doth protest too much, methinks" Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #59

and what exactly would that option be? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #60

Your not the lady I was refering too. I think you should have added a third option to you post. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #61

sorry to snap at you. i was really not intending to 'attack atheists' La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2015 #62

ok. so I'm 'the lady". Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #64

This message was self-deleted by its author Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #65

I'm not a garbage man, I don't need to go though the trash you post, see too much as is. Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #66

So you've accused me of being a racist bigot, you have nothing to back that up Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #67

I'm not a garbage man, but I'll call out your racism as it appears from now on fair? Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #77

You've called me a racist bigot. Put up or apologize. Do the honorable thing. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #79

How did you do on the test, are you? Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #80

you're babbling. Good show. Warren Stupidity Feb 2015 #82

Did you take the test, or are you afraid about what you may find out about yourself? Exultant Democracy Feb 2015 #88

So in other words, you call someone a "racist bigot" skepticscott Feb 2015 #100

Have you ever actually read Hamlet? mr blur Feb 2015 #97

The question to ask is why? Is it bigotry? Nevernose Feb 2015 #191

I'm anti-theist to the bone amuse bouche Feb 2015 #31

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2015 #193

This writer is no atheist. JNelson6563 Feb 2015 #45

Even being banned from the group - or DU itself! - for their horrible behavior... trotsky Feb 2015 #48

Excuse me! AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #84

It is my understanding that Adolph Hitler loved to drink milk ... Trajan Feb 2015 #52

Fuck Rawstory EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2015 #95

Yes, this is very true. JNelson6563 Feb 2015 #111

Is this a problem? Bradical79 Feb 2015 #116

how did we get a thread in here with more posts than the entire interfaith front page? AtheistCrusader Feb 2015 #117

Because there are more than two us here. I mean, wow, just wow! mr blur Feb 2015 #119

And self-examination actually goes on in here. skepticscott Feb 2015 #121

I took a hard look at myself in the mirror today; JDDavis Feb 2015 #126

Me too! Rainforestgoddess Feb 2015 #194