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In reply to the discussion: Time for atheists to take a hard look at ourselves [View all]cpwm17
(3,829 posts)131. I'm an atheist
and since atheism is only the lack of a belief in any god I feel no tribal necessity to defend the indefensible. I have little in common with Sam Harris.
http://www.samharris.org/site/full_text/response-to-controversy2
What will we do if an Islamist regime, which grows dewy-eyed at the mere mention of paradise, ever acquires long-range nuclear weaponry? If history is any guide, we will not be sure about where the offending warheads are or what their state of readiness is, and so we will be unable to rely on targeted, conventional weapons to destroy them. In such a situation, the only thing likely to ensure our survival may be a nuclear first strike of our own. Needless to say, this would be an unthinkable crimeas it would kill tens of millions of innocent civilians in a single daybut it may be the only course of action available to us, given what Islamists believe. How would such an unconscionable act of self-defense be perceived by the rest of the Muslim world? It would likely be seen as the first incursion of a genocidal crusade.
He plays these same games to create scenarios where torture is justified. He supported the Iraq War and he supports an aggressive foreign policy against Muslims. It is clear who is a danger to this world.
Here's what a war cheerleader posted in GD during Israel's recent aggressions against the Gaza Strip:
racist, ignorant, pro-war crap from Sam Harris (it got appropriately hidden):
http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/why-dont-i-criticize-Israel
The truth is that there is an obvious, undeniable, and hugely consequential moral difference between Israel and her enemies. The Israelis are surrounded by people who have explicitly genocidal intentions towards them. The charter of Hamas is explicitly genocidal. It looks forward to a time, based on Koranic prophesy, when the earth itself will cry out for Jewish blood, where the trees and the stones will say O Muslim, theres a Jew hiding behind me. Come and kill him. This is a political document. We are talking about a government that was voted into power by a majority of Palestinians...
What do groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda and even Hamas want? They want to impose their religious views on the rest of humanity. They want to stifle every freedom that decent, educated, secular people care about. This is not a trivial difference. And yet judging from the level of condemnation that Israel now receives, you would think the difference ran the other way.
This kind of confusion puts all of us in danger. This is the great story of our time. For the rest of our lives, and the lives of our children, we are going to be confronted by people who dont want to live peacefully in a secular, pluralistic world, because they are desperate to get to Paradise, and they are willing to destroy the very possibility of human happiness along the way. The truth is, we are all living in Israel. Its just that some of us havent realized it yet.
What do groups like ISIS and al-Qaeda and even Hamas want? They want to impose their religious views on the rest of humanity. They want to stifle every freedom that decent, educated, secular people care about. This is not a trivial difference. And yet judging from the level of condemnation that Israel now receives, you would think the difference ran the other way.
This kind of confusion puts all of us in danger. This is the great story of our time. For the rest of our lives, and the lives of our children, we are going to be confronted by people who dont want to live peacefully in a secular, pluralistic world, because they are desperate to get to Paradise, and they are willing to destroy the very possibility of human happiness along the way. The truth is, we are all living in Israel. Its just that some of us havent realized it yet.
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But it also doesn't have any doctrines NOT to murder therefore it's responsible that way!'
AlbertCat
Feb 2015
#107
They used the coded language of racism to talk about brown people, shoe fits they are racist.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#29
That would be a call out and aginst TOS. But the racist stupidity is strong here nuf said?
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#58
As I said they used the coded language of racism to talk about brown people.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#69
Asking for evidence of something that is omnipresent is disturbing and problematic in itself.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#75
One of the links was to an AA thread.But yes it isn't even close to as bad here as the rest of DU
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#87
There are also posts saying savages and barabrians, don't cherry pick.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#76
I'll then use you as my example. Using the term barbarian to describe brown people is racist.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#90
For over 2000 years, white people have also been calling white people barbarians
muriel_volestrangler
Feb 2015
#172
Post 78 right here, using the term barbarian to describe people of color is always racist.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#93
I've only seen one person use the term 'savage' around here, and that person is not an atheist.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#96
you do know that some members of isis are just plain old white, right?
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#99
If it's "racist" to call ISIS terrorists barbarians, what would you prefer we call them?
EvolveOrConvolve
Feb 2015
#101
Don't know if you remember the kerfuffle here at DU about the word niggardly
EvolveOrConvolve
Feb 2015
#110
Just wanted to mention that atheists don't fare well in those areas either.
LiberalAndProud
Feb 2015
#122
As I said they used the coded language of racism to talk about brown people.
AlbertCat
Feb 2015
#106
There are so many quotes from "What About Bob?" that are running through my head now.
PeaceNikki
Feb 2015
#200
We haven't had anything to talk about since you first jumped into the conversation
EvolveOrConvolve
Feb 2015
#149
What is/was your other/previous name here? You've obviously been banned or locked out of this thread
PeaceNikki
Feb 2015
#168
there is something weird about neo-atheism that particularly targets Muslims
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2015
#23
Oh really! We have Christian preachers across the country preaching a pro-war message
cpwm17
Feb 2015
#28
Is your a picture an example of people promoting hatred against an individual?
Lordquinton
Feb 2015
#127
In things that really matter the most, Sam Harris supports the wars against Muslims
cpwm17
Feb 2015
#140
What does the phrase "unconscionable act of self-defense" mean to you?
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#189
Would you consider the organization that just beheaded 20+ migrant workers in Libya
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#190
Can you defend your indefensible mischaracterization of the out-of-context Harris quote?
Gore1FL
Feb 2015
#201
Before your post, the only time I've heard the term "neo-atheist" used
EvolveOrConvolve
Feb 2015
#92
Please post all the links for "new" atheist leaders calling for the killing of religious people.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#44
did i say that? i said i found their islam focused atheism troubling.
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2015
#46
The focus is on religious people acting on their religious beliefs and doing really shitty things
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#50
again please dont deliberately misconstrue what i said to suit your argument.
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2015
#51
So what is it exactly that "neo" atheist leaders are saying that you think motivated this person?
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#54
either in your great desire to attack me, you didn't read the article or my response to it
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2015
#57
Your not the lady I was refering too. I think you should have added a third option to you post.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#61
sorry to snap at you. i was really not intending to 'attack atheists'
La Lioness Priyanka
Feb 2015
#62
I'm not a garbage man, I don't need to go though the trash you post, see too much as is.
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#66
So you've accused me of being a racist bigot, you have nothing to back that up
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#67
I'm not a garbage man, but I'll call out your racism as it appears from now on fair?
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#77
You've called me a racist bigot. Put up or apologize. Do the honorable thing.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2015
#79
Did you take the test, or are you afraid about what you may find out about yourself?
Exultant Democracy
Feb 2015
#88
Even being banned from the group - or DU itself! - for their horrible behavior...
trotsky
Feb 2015
#48
how did we get a thread in here with more posts than the entire interfaith front page?
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2015
#117