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Binkie The Clown

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Fri Mar 27, 2015, 08:23 PM Mar 2015

Drawing a distinction between science and philosophy [View all]

I hope this doesn't start a debate about "what it means to be an atheist", but I would like to say a few things about my own beliefs regarding science and philosophy.

First and foremost, I keep those two disciplines entirely separate from one another. A scientific hypothesis needs to be testable and falsifiable or else it's not "scientific". On the other hand, a philosophical speculation does not need to be testable or falsifiable. A speculation should, however, lead to logically supportable implications. (Note "logically" not "factually".) Philosophical speculations are "pre-scientific". In some cases, a speculation, if pursued far enough, might lead to implications which are testable and falsifiable, at which time it gets promoted from philosophy to science.

I have mentioned in this forum, and in the religion forum, that I am an atheist. I have no beliefs regarding any god, gods, or goddesses. I do not believe in an afterlife. I do not believe in reincarnation. I do not believe in an eternal soul.

On the other hand, I am perfectly willing to entertain those notions as philosophical speculations. I might wonder, for example, about the stories of "near death experiencers", and whether they lend any credence to an afterlife. I consider such speculations, but without believing them. I can consider the possibility of an eternal soul as some form of abstract consciousness/information expressed in ways other than material form. I don't believe in such things, but I'm not averse to thinking about them and discussing them.

So if, and when I discuss such things in this or other forums, keep in mind that I do not believe them, and I do not treat them as scientific hypotheses. But nor do I believe them to be false. Until some testable, falsifiable implication can be logically deduced for such philosophical speculations, I treat them as philosophical speculations. As such, I do not condemn, dismiss, or belittle them. I have no proof that they are false.

I do believe that it is perfectly rational to say that I do not believe in any kind of god, yet recognize that I might be wrong. I do not believe in any kind of afterlife, but I am more than willing to consider arguments that I am wrong. There is a big difference between "I do not believe in X." and "I do believe that X is not true."

I do not believe that god does not exist, nor do I believe that he/she/it does exist. That, I think, is the difference between an Atheist and an ANTItheist.

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Until the last statement, Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #1
I know some atheists who are not antitheist. Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #2
A lot of atheists are not antitheists. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #3
But we do have evidence edhopper Mar 2015 #4
Tsk, tsk, tsk. Curmudgeoness Mar 2015 #14
My evidence that the Bible is not divinely inspired... Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #9
Not to mention.... AlbertCat Mar 2015 #10
Difference between Atheist and Antitheist LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #5
Some of my best friends are theists Cartoonist Mar 2015 #6
When you said: LostOne4Ever Mar 2015 #7
Yes! That's one distinction I forgot to mention. Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #8
I suppose there might be some kind of "cosmic consciousness" that could be called "god" in one sense AlbertCat Mar 2015 #11
That's why I call it philosophical speculation Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #15
I do not believe in those things. AlbertCat Mar 2015 #17
You lost me with NDE, but then you fell down a pit with atheist v antitheist. Warren Stupidity Mar 2015 #12
Let me clarify, then. Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #16
I have a different take on it Lordquinton Mar 2015 #13
Science: Men, Methods, Goals SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #18
Science != Philosophical speculation. Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #19
You saying so does not make it so SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #20
Whatever. Binkie The Clown Mar 2015 #21
ok SoLeftIAmRight Mar 2015 #22
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