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dmallind

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3. Absolutely - but need more info
Sat Feb 25, 2012, 02:26 PM
Feb 2012

Belief in deities is a binary condition much like pregnancy. You either do or you don't. You can doubt it; you can secretly think it's silly, but knowledge and belief are not synonyms. If you do not believe that a god exists, you are an atheist, regardless of how probable or improbable you assess it to be. On the other hand if you do believe so, then you are a theist, again regardless of how probable or improbable you assess it to be.

A useful analogy may be a husband considering his wife's fidelity. Any sane person knows that the probability is not 100%, however most reasonably secure husbands will believe their wives are faithful. Thus in marriage most again reasonably secure husbands will be "theistic" in regard to their wife's fidelity. A suspicious husband who does not believe his wife is faithful, but again who does not know 100% one way or the other, could be said to be "atheistic" in marriage. Playing silly number games about what probability of fidelity makes one believe or not believe misses the entire point, because belief and probability assessment are not the same thing. Many a husband will believe his flirtatious and suspiciously unreliable wife faithful until he sees actual penetration; others will assume their wife is cheating even though she has given no indication whatsoever and is entirely innocent.

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No. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #1
Before confusion engulfs this discussion ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #2
I am not saying one way or the other what belief or lack of belief that you have. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #4
No it doesn't, and since when are there only two options? dmallind Feb 2012 #5
Excellent point. And you are right. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #6
Isolating the problem that provoked "Bleah" ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #8
That is enough to be an atheist. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #9
Nope - lack of belief is all. Firm belief in absence just makes you dmallind Feb 2012 #10
FYI, I just served on a jury for your comment here. laconicsax Feb 2012 #11
Thanks. nt Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #17
Wow, just wow EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #19
What is enough to be an atheist? Boojatta Feb 2012 #12
Absolutely - but need more info dmallind Feb 2012 #3
Re belief versus probability assessment Boojatta Feb 2012 #7
When the enraged parishioners come with the ropes and the bonfires, you'll fit right in. dimbear Feb 2012 #13
Again, your question is flawed. There is theism and there is A-theism, and thats it. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #14
"probability, which is in essence, knowledge" Boojatta Feb 2012 #15
I didn't claim that there's a middle ground. Boojatta Feb 2012 #16
No n/t marginlized Feb 2012 #18
Do you have merely a suspicion that Boojatta Feb 2012 #26
Since the 50% number is pulled directly from your ass EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #20
Before something is believed by Boojatta Feb 2012 #22
"Before something is believed by anybody, it has to be conceived by somebody." EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #23
Until it is conceived, it doesn't enter Boojatta Feb 2012 #24
The easiest way to see the practical application of all this is to remember that for the dimbear Feb 2012 #21
I file that in the Agnostic category. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #25
Any percentage higher than zero and lower than 100 is irrelevant to your question. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #27
This reminds me of the liar paradox Boojatta Feb 2012 #28
Kick laconicsax Mar 2012 #29
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