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Boojatta

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24. Until it is conceived, it doesn't enter
Sun Feb 26, 2012, 10:06 PM
Feb 2012

into anybody's mind, and for that reason it isn't believed.

I admit that "pulled directly from your ass" doesn't strike me as important sounding language. However, I'm trying to focus on what you are saying, not how you say it. Perhaps you can extend the same courtesy to me.

Let's review the discussion in outline form:

I started the thread basically by telling people to assume that I believe X, and asking people, given that assumption, whether or not I am an atheist.

You didn't answer the question. Why not? I don't know.

I suspected that the assumption "I believe X" was too extraordinary for you to imagine it as being true. So I proposed a new hypothetical. If very specific and weird religious doctrines can be marketed, then maybe X (despite involving the number 50%) could be believed by people after all.

Now, if I understand you correctly, you think it's unacceptable for me to pay any attention to how many people believe something. Well, the assumption at the beginning of this thread is that one person (Boojatta) believes X. One seemed to be too many for you. Now, you seem to have no particular objection to the hypothetical existence of a movement that includes perhaps more than one person who believes X. However, now it seems that you want to scold me for paying attention to the number of people who believe X. Why?

If I understand you correctly, you think that I am judging whether or not X is actually true based on how many people believe in X. Sorry, but that's not correct. I simply want you to stretch your imagination and consider for the sake of argument the scenario where at least one person believes X. That way, you can think about the question: is that person an atheist?

Maybe you can answer the question!

Again: is that person an atheist?

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No. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #1
Before confusion engulfs this discussion ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #2
I am not saying one way or the other what belief or lack of belief that you have. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #4
No it doesn't, and since when are there only two options? dmallind Feb 2012 #5
Excellent point. And you are right. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #6
Isolating the problem that provoked "Bleah" ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #8
That is enough to be an atheist. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #9
Nope - lack of belief is all. Firm belief in absence just makes you dmallind Feb 2012 #10
FYI, I just served on a jury for your comment here. laconicsax Feb 2012 #11
Thanks. nt Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #17
Wow, just wow EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #19
What is enough to be an atheist? Boojatta Feb 2012 #12
Absolutely - but need more info dmallind Feb 2012 #3
Re belief versus probability assessment Boojatta Feb 2012 #7
When the enraged parishioners come with the ropes and the bonfires, you'll fit right in. dimbear Feb 2012 #13
Again, your question is flawed. There is theism and there is A-theism, and thats it. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #14
"probability, which is in essence, knowledge" Boojatta Feb 2012 #15
I didn't claim that there's a middle ground. Boojatta Feb 2012 #16
No n/t marginlized Feb 2012 #18
Do you have merely a suspicion that Boojatta Feb 2012 #26
Since the 50% number is pulled directly from your ass EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #20
Before something is believed by Boojatta Feb 2012 #22
"Before something is believed by anybody, it has to be conceived by somebody." EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #23
Until it is conceived, it doesn't enter Boojatta Feb 2012 #24
The easiest way to see the practical application of all this is to remember that for the dimbear Feb 2012 #21
I file that in the Agnostic category. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #25
Any percentage higher than zero and lower than 100 is irrelevant to your question. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #27
This reminds me of the liar paradox Boojatta Feb 2012 #28
Kick laconicsax Mar 2012 #29
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