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Boojatta

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28. This reminds me of the liar paradox
Wed Feb 29, 2012, 04:21 PM
Feb 2012

Last edited Wed Feb 29, 2012, 05:01 PM - Edit history (2)

A person could think, "I don't believe in gods, but I'm always wrong

Somebody who is permitted to use "I am always wrong" to come to a conclusion gets the following results:
One is larger than zero, so one isn't equal to zero. I believe that one isn't equal to zero.

However, I am always wrong, so I was wrong to believe that one isn't equal to zero. Thus, one is equal to zero.

If the monotheists are right, then there is exactly one god, but the number one is equal to the number zero, so if the monotheists are right, then the number of gods is equal to zero. Therefore, monotheists are actually atheists, but unfortunately they don't recognize that they are atheists.

Similarly, a person could think, "I believe in gods, but the likelihood for their existence seems incredibly small,"

Do you mean that the person is trying to think about the topic from the point of view of other people, and imagines that, from their point of view, the likelihood seems incredibly small?

If not, then it seems that the theist has an internal conflict between, on the one hand, the theist's overall mental picture of reality, and on the other hand the theist's practical expectations.

Your theist could be CEO of some corporation, announce that the probability is extremely low that there will be any drop in share price, on the same day sell short a huge number of shares, and later that day again repeat that a drop in share price is incredibly unlikely. When the share price undergoes a steep decline the next day, and the CEO profits handsomely from the short selling maneuver, the CEO can say, "I believed that I would make a lot of money by selling short, and nobody has any right to accuse me of lying when I said that it was very unlikely that the share price would drop."

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No. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #1
Before confusion engulfs this discussion ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #2
I am not saying one way or the other what belief or lack of belief that you have. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #4
No it doesn't, and since when are there only two options? dmallind Feb 2012 #5
Excellent point. And you are right. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #6
Isolating the problem that provoked "Bleah" ... Boojatta Feb 2012 #8
That is enough to be an atheist. Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #9
Nope - lack of belief is all. Firm belief in absence just makes you dmallind Feb 2012 #10
FYI, I just served on a jury for your comment here. laconicsax Feb 2012 #11
Thanks. nt Curmudgeoness Feb 2012 #17
Wow, just wow EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #19
What is enough to be an atheist? Boojatta Feb 2012 #12
Absolutely - but need more info dmallind Feb 2012 #3
Re belief versus probability assessment Boojatta Feb 2012 #7
When the enraged parishioners come with the ropes and the bonfires, you'll fit right in. dimbear Feb 2012 #13
Again, your question is flawed. There is theism and there is A-theism, and thats it. cleanhippie Feb 2012 #14
"probability, which is in essence, knowledge" Boojatta Feb 2012 #15
I didn't claim that there's a middle ground. Boojatta Feb 2012 #16
No n/t marginlized Feb 2012 #18
Do you have merely a suspicion that Boojatta Feb 2012 #26
Since the 50% number is pulled directly from your ass EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #20
Before something is believed by Boojatta Feb 2012 #22
"Before something is believed by anybody, it has to be conceived by somebody." EvolveOrConvolve Feb 2012 #23
Until it is conceived, it doesn't enter Boojatta Feb 2012 #24
The easiest way to see the practical application of all this is to remember that for the dimbear Feb 2012 #21
I file that in the Agnostic category. HopeHoops Feb 2012 #25
Any percentage higher than zero and lower than 100 is irrelevant to your question. ZombieHorde Feb 2012 #27
This reminds me of the liar paradox Boojatta Feb 2012 #28
Kick laconicsax Mar 2012 #29
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