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dmallind

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11. Insulting or disturbing? Not really.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jun 2012

The main issue I, and it seems some others, have with this kind of article is that it perpetuates the idea that atheism means anything else other than lack of god belief, and that you can lack god belief but somehow avoid being an atheist.

You can't (that and the following are generic "you"'s not personally directed). You can call youself a skeptic or a freethinker all you want. You can use agnostic to answer questions about belief and maybe one person in ten at best will know you haven't answered the question at all. These are all perfectly valid and honorable labels to use personally. I don't "see myself" in the above definitions. I AM all of them. Just like I'm fat, and bearded, with a pale complexion and short hair and just like none of those speak to my gender (bearded women exist!).

When the question is gender, I am male. The fat and bearded yadda yadda just tells you what kind of male I am.

When the question is god belief, I am an atheist. The anti-theist, agnostic, skeptic, Humanist etc would just tell you what kind of atheist I am.

The believing majority have done such a good job, partly intentional but assisted by the ignorance caused by poor education in the US in both philosophy and religion, of boxing in the word atheist so that many atheists, and most non-atheists, have been persuaded that atheism is limited to strong atheism, also called positive or explicit atheism, and that agnosticism is a (not possible) middle and separate alternative to either believing or not believing. Furthermore they have demonized the term as one with meanings of amorality, communism, treachery and anti-Americanism so that few have the gumption to use it and remind people it means nothing at all in these areas. Articles like this grate because they are both the result of and ways to reinforce this intentional deceit about what atheism really is.

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No Religion? 7 Types of Non-Believers [View all] Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 OP
I'm most of those things OriginalGeek Jun 2012 #1
I wish I could Like this, it gave me the smile I so greatly needed today.nt amyrose2712 Jun 2012 #10
The software may not count it OriginalGeek Jun 2012 #12
Needless subdivision that is either false or irrelevant dmallind Jun 2012 #2
+1 laconicsax Jun 2012 #3
You know that. I know that... BiggJawn Jun 2012 #4
Yep. Crap article. PassingFair Jun 2012 #8
Well, I never go there. Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #14
I didn't think you had "motives"! PassingFair Jun 2012 #15
Well, you could say the same thing about Christians to ShadowLiberal Jun 2012 #16
True, but few people think Catholics, Lutherans, Methodists etc are not all Christians dmallind Jun 2012 #26
The need to minimize people into neat, divided catagories lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #5
Well, I thought it was pretty interesting, since I've never examined the nature of my beliefs Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #6
This article is just silly. For instance, Unitarians run the gamut of beliefs. PassingFair Jun 2012 #9
Insulting or disturbing? Not really. dmallind Jun 2012 #11
A little bit of all... I guess mostly weenie-agnostic-humanist-skeptic. wyldwolf Jun 2012 #7
I’m an atheist. I have frogmarch Jun 2012 #13
God is imaginary. lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #21
Self-identification suffers from lack of verifiability. daaron Jun 2012 #17
Welcome to awake. lindysalsagal Jun 2012 #20
Minor point: laconicsax Jun 2012 #22
Hm. My understanding was --> daaron Jun 2012 #23
That wedge has been tried already. laconicsax Jun 2012 #25
but strong and weak atheism are broader definitions IMO dmallind Jun 2012 #24
All of those religions listed are atheistic too... urgk Jun 2012 #18
I understand the appeal of this thinking, echoed in the article, but I disagree with it dmallind Jun 2012 #19
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