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Gore1FL

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12. I was an adult leader in the BSA for 7 years
Wed Jun 13, 2012, 11:33 PM
Jun 2012

My son turned 18 last year, and my membership expired late last year. I hope to sign up again after things calm down in an effort to "Johnny Appleseed" a new troop.

I managed tp avoid all religious services except for a couple of forced ones at Wood Badge. (I was actually my Wood Badge Patrol's chaplain's aid which is sort of hilarious.) I served on District training staff. (I would have probably been on Wood Badge or NYLT staff had I not had scheduling conflicts that made me less active.)

I typically stayed off the subject of religion. When someone felt the need to engage, I used to paraphrase Carl Sagan:
God is the set of physical laws that govern the universe. U.S. Religious freedom allows us to define "God" any way we want. I confused many a people, but no one felt it necessary to do anything else but convince me that somehow what I just said lead to "therefore Jesus died for my sins."

Religion and Homosexuality rules aren't really enforced in a meaningful way--at least in any troop I have been involved with. My son made Eagle scout and shares my religious beliefs. A couple of other kids who made Eagle during my tenure were likely gay. I am not saying there are not freak troops sponsored by freak organizations that make a concerted effort to be exclusive. There are many of them. They aren't the rule.

The only reason the rules exist is because the BSA became the Youth program for the LDS. The LDS leveraged it's power and forced this nonsense. It put the BSA in a poison pill scenario of either losing a huge membership base or denying homosexuals and atheists. They chose a long gradual decline over a short immediate one.

In the end, the BSA is a great program for Boys. It provides a lot of leadership training for adults, too. I recommend to anyone, gay and/or atheist, to join given a chance or a reason too. Just pick the troop wisely, participate sensible, and enjoy the experience. We teach a lot of values that many would consider quite "liberal."

Religious differences and orientation aren't really a part of the program. There is really no useful purpose in making them part of the program--for anyone. No one talks about straight sex, and in a religiously diverse troops, no one forces a belief.


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Since when did atheist equality matter? dmallind Jun 2012 #1
I can't imagine why anyone would encourage joining such an exclusive organization. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #2
I am not really sure what you mean by the "obvious concerns about pedophilia." ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #3
I think BSA has an ugly history of pedophilia among some of it's leaders. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #5
Naive about what? Are you saying that gay scout masters are more Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #6
WTF does being gay have to do with pedophilia. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #7
Nice job of attacking someone with a legitimate question... rexcat Jun 2012 #8
Thank you. Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #9
He's used the exact same dishonesty to attack me in the past. trotsky Jun 2012 #18
Being gay has nothing to do with pedophilia, nor did I say it did so you can keep your tsk tsking Luminous Animal Jun 2012 #10
Ummm, it's pretty clear that he was not thinking that, but rather was questioning... eqfan592 Jun 2012 #49
Youth protection programs are strict and in place. Gore1FL Jun 2012 #13
Good to hear and I hope you are right. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #16
What do you mean by "putting the fox in charge of the chicken coop?" yardwork Jun 2012 #4
I thought that would be pretty obvious. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #15
Umm... laconicsax Jun 2012 #17
Are you serious? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #22
Why are gay kids more vulnerable to sexual predators than straight kids? yardwork Jun 2012 #23
They are not more vulnerable in general. I never said they were. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #31
Yes, others have often tried to make a connection between pedophilia and homosexuality. yardwork Jun 2012 #35
I agree 100% Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #38
You just said it again! laconicsax Jun 2012 #37
I think it is you that is implying a connection. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #39
You said gay kids and those with sexual identity problems Goblinmonger Jun 2012 #40
OK. Let me make this very simple for you. We'll paint by numbers and conect all the dots. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #42
I think the problem is that you keep making the connection while denying having done so. laconicsax Jun 2012 #43
Once again. Here is the connection. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #44
Thank you for finally admitting to making that connection. n/t laconicsax Jun 2012 #45
Admitted? I never denied making that connection. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #46
You should go back and read your original post EvolveOrConvolve Jun 2012 #47
You explicitly denied it in this very subthread. laconicsax Jun 2012 #48
That's OK. You win, I have to go bandage my ankle now. Enjoy. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #50
Then explain what you meant and why you said it. laconicsax Jun 2012 #41
Why would gay children be more at risk from pedophiles? yardwork Jun 2012 #20
Did I say they would be at more risk? Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #24
Yes, that seemed to be your implication. Perhaps I misunderstood. yardwork Jun 2012 #34
"an organization that has less than stellar record when it comes to pedophilia" trotsky Jun 2012 #21
No, not at a greater rate than the general population Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #26
That's backing away from your earlier claims. trotsky Jun 2012 #28
Let's not be naive. Nobody wants a scandal, BSA or RCC. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #32
You were asked to provide evidence to back up your claims. trotsky Jun 2012 #33
What about the current youth protection program do you take issue with? Gore1FL Jun 2012 #14
I brought this up to a Scoutmaster friend... Act_of_Reparation Jun 2012 #11
I was an adult leader in the BSA for 7 years Gore1FL Jun 2012 #12
Good post, very informative! JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #19
Excellent! Thanks for sharing. Starboard Tack Jun 2012 #30
Ditto... NeoGreen Jun 2012 #36
In either 2004 or 2008, a poll was done kdmorris Jun 2012 #25
One of last groups who you can openly detest salparadise1000 Jun 2012 #27
Well, they are generalizations I agree with kdmorris Jun 2012 #29
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