Atheists & Agnostics

dmallind

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94. They also then are not answering the same question, no?

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 08:52 PM

Jul 2012

"Do you believe in any gods?", by your own definition, cannot be answered by "I'm an agnostic" can it?

You'll surely see several posts above where I make the point that they are not the same thing. But neither is agnosticism anything to do with belief, only a position on whether we can know (more precisely a rejection that we can know by mystically revealed certainty).

So agnosticism is not then a middle ground between atheism and theism, and precludes neither.

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Agnostics are not Atheists and they deserve their own forum. [View all] RegieRocker Jul 2012 OP

On the other hand... rexcat Jul 2012 #1

Huge difference between the two RegieRocker Jul 2012 #2

Obviously you don't understand the definition of "atheist"... rexcat Jul 2012 #3

Noted RegieRocker Jul 2012 #4

Would you accept the opinion of the guy who invented the word to desctibe himself? dmallind Jul 2012 #11

Sure he is stating that Agnostics are not Atheists RegieRocker Jul 2012 #12

No - he's stating that agnosticism is in fact nothing to do with belief. Atheism is not mentioned. dmallind Jul 2012 #14

He mentioned atheists in the sentence just before your quote started muriel_volestrangler Jul 2012 #66

The issue here ais the multiple usages for "atheist" dmallind Jul 2012 #83

Only a true agnostic knows what an agnostic is. AlbertCat Jul 2012 #50

Albert Cat, perfect response to pure and utter rubbish being spread here by cowards who hide under . Brewinblue Jul 2012 #87

I'm an agnostic atheist OriginalGeek Jul 2012 #5

I believe something exists when there is evidence of that somethings existence michael811 Jul 2012 #6

This is bullshit: mr blur Jul 2012 #7

Yes, it sure is. frogmarch Jul 2012 #16

Nah it's just the ones who don't understand the meaning of the word. dmallind Jul 2012 #17

Yes, you�re right. frogmarch Jul 2012 #21

Badda bing! valerief Jul 2012 #55

You know what my favorite hobby is?... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #69

I see it as "a theism" kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #86

My suggestion to you JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #8

Just curious skepticscott Jul 2012 #9

I kind of like what it shines a light on JNelson6563 Jul 2012 #10

Great video... rexcat Jul 2012 #19

Looks like something for Meta-discussion rexcat Jul 2012 #13

No surprise to your post and some others either RegieRocker Jul 2012 #22

And what is your point? rexcat Jul 2012 #31

I say the non-religious should stick together. FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #15

I think there has to be a 3) though dmallind Jul 2012 #18

and... rexcat Jul 2012 #20

Sure - so what's your beef with atheists again? (definitions matter - or what about blurgelpibs?) nt dmallind Jul 2012 #84

Why would I have a beef with atheists? rexcat Jul 2012 #110

I've long wanted to add "& Humanists & Freethinkers" Warpy Jul 2012 #23

I'm just exhausted by the hair-splitting over labels FiveGoodMen Jul 2012 #25

+1 million... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #70

RegieRocker, meet Starboard Tack, cbayer, and rug. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #24

Nice job 2ndAmForCoumputers! rexcat Jul 2012 #41

That one isn't banned from this forum. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #46

More than likely... rexcat Jul 2012 #48

Respect? From that one? Unlikely. 2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #49

You don't get to tell me what an atheist is. Iggo Jul 2012 #26

And you can't tell me what an Agnostic is.... RegieRocker Jul 2012 #27

I ain't. Iggo Jul 2012 #30

But I can state that we are not the same. RegieRocker Jul 2012 #32

Never said we were.. Iggo Jul 2012 #34

My apologies to you RegieRocker Jul 2012 #35

Accepted! Iggo Jul 2012 #37

yes you can... awoke_in_2003 Jul 2012 #71

If you don't eat meat skepticscott Jul 2012 #28

Not at all. It's all black and white for you. RegieRocker Jul 2012 #29

I don't know any atheists who say that OriginalGeek Jul 2012 #33

Which words? skepticscott Jul 2012 #36

The only transparent lie was from Dawkins RegieRocker Jul 2012 #38

Well, you're free to make things up skepticscott Jul 2012 #47

The only transparent lie was from Dawkins AlbertCat Jul 2012 #51

No atheists I know of say that a god or gods frogmarch Jul 2012 #39

Why don't you go and play somewhere else? mr blur Jul 2012 #40

Exactly! rexcat Jul 2012 #42

I would like to add one more point... rexcat Jul 2012 #43

Maybe DU needs frogmarch Jul 2012 #44

Hi Regie and welcome! EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #45

I am not sure RegieRocker Jul 2012 #53

If you're not sure, then you lack an active belief in a god or gods EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #54

Being an atheist who's accused of being part of "just another religion" is offensive because valerief Jul 2012 #56

To not believe RegieRocker Jul 2012 #57

Well it sounds like you've got your mind made up regarding atheists EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #58

Still unable to understand RegieRocker Jul 2012 #59

This IS an agnostic safe haven EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #60

You're not sorry be real. RegieRocker Jul 2012 #61

Nope, not really EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #62

Sorry, at least half of what's in this post skepticscott Jul 2012 #63

I especially love this gem: trotsky Jul 2012 #81

Why not allow anyone open to the idea there is no God? Kennah Jul 2012 #52

Don't worry...I'm gone RegieRocker Jul 2012 #64

You're God? And you're leaving us? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! Kennah Jul 2012 #65

Agnosticism is the honest position. mmonk Jul 2012 #67

Sorry, but that's not skepticscott Jul 2012 #68

Both the religious and new atheists claim certainty. mmonk Jul 2012 #76

Where you make a mistake is assuming that atheists profess certainty EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #77

I was speaking of the "new atheists" as opposed to atheists in general. mmonk Jul 2012 #88

What does the phrase "new atheists" even mean? EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #92

Not quite. Specific persons that have set out on a quest to challenge. mmonk Jul 2012 #96

Nothing in the physical world skepticscott Jul 2012 #78

First, let me wade through the insults and try to exp[lain what I'm saying. mmonk Jul 2012 #89

No, that wasn't what you were saying skepticscott Jul 2012 #93

If someone writes a book called "The God Delusion", mmonk Jul 2012 #97

In other words skepticscott Jul 2012 #104

If you quit trying to define what I'm saying mmonk Jul 2012 #108

My post was not directly related to the piece cited in the op mmonk Jul 2012 #99

Please explain the difference between "believe" and "know" dmallind Jul 2012 #85

Believe applies to both, knowing applies to neither in an honest sense. mmonk Jul 2012 #90

They also then are not answering the same question, no? dmallind Jul 2012 #94

I agree agnosticism is not a middle ground. mmonk Jul 2012 #100

And now, we can address the initial question, in a better manner than the OP. dmallind Jul 2012 #101

Tripe. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #72

Excellent post! EvolveOrConvolve Jul 2012 #73

Been lurking for some time. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #74

2 points of contention. mmonk Jul 2012 #91

No no no. It seemed you had it right for a while dmallind Jul 2012 #95

I'll accept your definition mmonk Jul 2012 #98

Absence of evidence is evidence of absence. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #102

And I posit that before we knew of subatomic particles mmonk Jul 2012 #105

Actually, you are in full agreement. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #106

Excellent post. mmonk Jul 2012 #107

Proof to negate exists in the lack of proof to assert. ElboRuum Jul 2012 #103

Yep. redqueen Jul 2012 #109

Scienists know why the universe came into being Taverner Jul 2012 #75

"Why is there something rather than nothing?" "Just wait. There won't be for long." valerief Jul 2012 #79

That's an awesome clip! deucemagnet Jul 2012 #80

I dunno... BrendaBrick Jul 2012 #82

I had to come back to this, because damn... redqueen Jul 2012 #111

+1 truebrit71 Aug 2012 #112

By the seed of magical thinking that is planted in most of our heads as children... redqueen Aug 2012 #113

"turning science into a new religion"... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #114