2016 Postmortem

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24. I think a multi payer model like Germany has is better, yes

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 11:26 AM

Jan 2016

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And I think ACA is closer to that than Sanders's plan (which may or may not be Single Payer, depending on whether or not it gets rid of Medicare's deductibles).

Single Payer would be better than the current ACA, sure, but I'd rather push for moving it towards the German model, particularly since that can be done incrementally.

In particular, my worry about single payer is that cost controls become politically impossible because they are "cutting Medicare".

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Politifact Confirms Bernie Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will SAVE Every American Family $1,200/Year [View all] INdemo Jan 2016 OP

I think the point Hillary was making is Single payer bigdarryl Jan 2016 #1

Right, using the hot-button 'raises taxes' elleng Jan 2016 #3

As opposed to Sanders promising that billionaires R B Garr Jan 2016 #10

His numbers were delivered in 2013. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #13

He said in the debate and since that he hasn't R B Garr Jan 2016 #23

They may be tweeked. Politifact ran the 2013 numbers and they are pretty good. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #25

2008 was before ACA, which is now reality, so R B Garr Jan 2016 #31

Bwahahaha! Hillary and Chelsea tell straight up lies and we are distorting reality! Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #33

No numbers yet per Sanders and his campaign R B Garr Jan 2016 #54

Politifact showed that the 2013 plan is less expensive than what we now have Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #56

Oh, I'm not confused that he hasn't released the numbers R B Garr Jan 2016 #58

The last thing I heard from the Hillary campaign on new initiatives... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #46

LMAO. He hasn't released his numbers yet so bullshit R B Garr Jan 2016 #49

Aren't the funding mechanisms in the Politifact article? TCJ70 Jan 2016 #55

Would you rather Dretownblues Jan 2016 #5

I think a multi payer model like Germany has is better, yes Recursion Jan 2016 #24

You do realize that private insurers in the US negotiate jeff47 Jan 2016 #35

Well it's not doing them very well at all Recursion Jan 2016 #42

Yet here you are claiming it is. jeff47 Jan 2016 #44

No, you're making up an argument I'm not making. Recursion Jan 2016 #45

So Canada's impossible? jeff47 Jan 2016 #48

Their financing isn't why it works Recursion Jan 2016 #62

So Canada doesn't exist. Good to know. jeff47 Jan 2016 #64

What a stupid thing to claim Recursion Jan 2016 #65

Providers don't necessarily have to make less money boobooday Jan 2016 #60

Canada spends more per capita on pharma than we do Recursion Jan 2016 #63

For-profit hospitals boobooday Jan 2016 #66

Yep. Single payer helps with the latter, but not the former Recursion Jan 2016 #67

Congress has prohibited Medicare from negotiating drug prices boobooday Jan 2016 #53

Now you're getting it Recursion Jan 2016 #61

I would have no problem Dretownblues Jan 2016 #59

Thank you, this was the context along with Chelsea's R B Garr Jan 2016 #11

it is so hard to have a real discussion on this board about candidates proposals-or non riversedge Jan 2016 #52

Yes, it's impossible, really, especially when things are R B Garr Jan 2016 #57

and it will dismantal Chip and other programs but Sanders has never said that publicly as riversedge Jan 2016 #50

It might save the average american family that dsc Jan 2016 #2

Who cares HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #4

It would almost certainly cost money dsc Jan 2016 #6

Not if you get cash compensation in lieu of ESI shawn703 Jan 2016 #7

my employer would never do that dsc Jan 2016 #8

It sounds like... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #9

What do you base that on? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #12

VT had a 9 percent payroll tax dsc Jan 2016 #14

It is amazing how wrong someone can be and still think he/she is right. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #16

I went back and used the numbers in politifact dsc Jan 2016 #15

Where does it say it ends up being payed by the employee? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #17

right here dsc Jan 2016 #18

did you miss this part? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #19

I pay very little dsc Jan 2016 #20

If your net is 50k a year how do you only pay 25 a month? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #21

my employer pays my insurance costs dsc Jan 2016 #22

I will post this again since you don't seem to get it Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #26

which they will not share with me dsc Jan 2016 #27

Then it won't cost you anything either. You will not be out $5000.00 a year as you claimed. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #28

according to your own source dsc Jan 2016 #29

I wasn't trying to trumpet it, sorry. It came up first on my Google search Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #30

I am sure my tea bagger legislature will get right on that dsc Jan 2016 #32

Can we get back to how this will cost you 5k a year? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #34

it eventually, at least will, according to your own link dsc Jan 2016 #37

Edit on this post. What was I thinking? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #41

I've had lots of jobs where the monthly cost to me was either $0 or something nominal like $20. Recursion Jan 2016 #47

Then your employer needs to change your compensation package. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #51

Here's the actual Politifact article in case anyone prefers their info spin-free... seaglass Jan 2016 #36

So now you Hillary supporters are using Republican talking points INdemo Jan 2016 #39

How fucking ridiculous - why would someone who is interested in what Politifact says not read the seaglass Jan 2016 #43

Kick Logical Jan 2016 #38

As I posted in the other thread, absolutes are tricky things... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #40