2016 Postmortem

Recursion

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67. Yep. Single payer helps with the latter, but not the former

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 02:37 PM

Jan 2016

In fact, in many ways single payer falls into a trap set by the hospitals, in that any attempt to cut the hospitals' reimbursements gets attacked as "cutting Medicare".

Here's some charts I made a few weeks ago comparing our spending to Canada's, for the curious:

(this is the crucial one: per capita spending by recipient. Canada is on the left, US is on the right.)

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Politifact Confirms Bernie Sanders’ Healthcare Plan Will SAVE Every American Family $1,200/Year [View all] INdemo Jan 2016 OP

I think the point Hillary was making is Single payer bigdarryl Jan 2016 #1

Right, using the hot-button 'raises taxes' elleng Jan 2016 #3

As opposed to Sanders promising that billionaires R B Garr Jan 2016 #10

His numbers were delivered in 2013. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #13

He said in the debate and since that he hasn't R B Garr Jan 2016 #23

They may be tweeked. Politifact ran the 2013 numbers and they are pretty good. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #25

2008 was before ACA, which is now reality, so R B Garr Jan 2016 #31

Bwahahaha! Hillary and Chelsea tell straight up lies and we are distorting reality! Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #33

No numbers yet per Sanders and his campaign R B Garr Jan 2016 #54

Politifact showed that the 2013 plan is less expensive than what we now have Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #56

Oh, I'm not confused that he hasn't released the numbers R B Garr Jan 2016 #58

The last thing I heard from the Hillary campaign on new initiatives... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #46

LMAO. He hasn't released his numbers yet so bullshit R B Garr Jan 2016 #49

Aren't the funding mechanisms in the Politifact article? TCJ70 Jan 2016 #55

Would you rather Dretownblues Jan 2016 #5

I think a multi payer model like Germany has is better, yes Recursion Jan 2016 #24

You do realize that private insurers in the US negotiate jeff47 Jan 2016 #35

Well it's not doing them very well at all Recursion Jan 2016 #42

Yet here you are claiming it is. jeff47 Jan 2016 #44

No, you're making up an argument I'm not making. Recursion Jan 2016 #45

So Canada's impossible? jeff47 Jan 2016 #48

Their financing isn't why it works Recursion Jan 2016 #62

So Canada doesn't exist. Good to know. jeff47 Jan 2016 #64

What a stupid thing to claim Recursion Jan 2016 #65

Providers don't necessarily have to make less money boobooday Jan 2016 #60

Canada spends more per capita on pharma than we do Recursion Jan 2016 #63

For-profit hospitals boobooday Jan 2016 #66

Yep. Single payer helps with the latter, but not the former Recursion Jan 2016 #67

Congress has prohibited Medicare from negotiating drug prices boobooday Jan 2016 #53

Now you're getting it Recursion Jan 2016 #61

I would have no problem Dretownblues Jan 2016 #59

Thank you, this was the context along with Chelsea's R B Garr Jan 2016 #11

it is so hard to have a real discussion on this board about candidates proposals-or non riversedge Jan 2016 #52

Yes, it's impossible, really, especially when things are R B Garr Jan 2016 #57

and it will dismantal Chip and other programs but Sanders has never said that publicly as riversedge Jan 2016 #50

It might save the average american family that dsc Jan 2016 #2

Who cares HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #4

It would almost certainly cost money dsc Jan 2016 #6

Not if you get cash compensation in lieu of ESI shawn703 Jan 2016 #7

my employer would never do that dsc Jan 2016 #8

It sounds like... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #9

What do you base that on? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #12

VT had a 9 percent payroll tax dsc Jan 2016 #14

It is amazing how wrong someone can be and still think he/she is right. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #16

I went back and used the numbers in politifact dsc Jan 2016 #15

Where does it say it ends up being payed by the employee? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #17

right here dsc Jan 2016 #18

did you miss this part? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #19

I pay very little dsc Jan 2016 #20

If your net is 50k a year how do you only pay 25 a month? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #21

my employer pays my insurance costs dsc Jan 2016 #22

I will post this again since you don't seem to get it Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #26

which they will not share with me dsc Jan 2016 #27

Then it won't cost you anything either. You will not be out $5000.00 a year as you claimed. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #28

according to your own source dsc Jan 2016 #29

I wasn't trying to trumpet it, sorry. It came up first on my Google search Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #30

I am sure my tea bagger legislature will get right on that dsc Jan 2016 #32

Can we get back to how this will cost you 5k a year? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #34

it eventually, at least will, according to your own link dsc Jan 2016 #37

Edit on this post. What was I thinking? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #41

I've had lots of jobs where the monthly cost to me was either $0 or something nominal like $20. Recursion Jan 2016 #47

Then your employer needs to change your compensation package. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #51

Here's the actual Politifact article in case anyone prefers their info spin-free... seaglass Jan 2016 #36

So now you Hillary supporters are using Republican talking points INdemo Jan 2016 #39

How fucking ridiculous - why would someone who is interested in what Politifact says not read the seaglass Jan 2016 #43

Kick Logical Jan 2016 #38

As I posted in the other thread, absolutes are tricky things... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #40