2016 Postmortem

Orrex

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75. Since the OP specifically mentioned Sanders,

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 02:58 PM

Jan 2016

I'd say that the OP thinks that it has to do with Sanders. Otherwise why frame it that way?

The reason I posed my question is because the choice not to embrace Sanders has, from the very beginning of his primary run, been denigrated as driven either by fear or by greed. That mode of thinking conveniently ignores or dismisses other possible motivations.

The current attack on Dean conspicuously follows the same pattern.

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Howard Dean, Now Employed by Health-Care Lobby Firm, Opposes Bernie Sanders on Single-Payer [View all] marmar Jan 2016 OP

Well I think a lot of people knew it was mmonk Jan 2016 #1

Well well Howard Dean..... nc4bo Jan 2016 #2

Howard sold his soul. Universal health care "might result in “chaos”, you mean like the ACA rhett o rick Jan 2016 #71

It's very disappointing. We, The People are nothing but nc4bo Jan 2016 #72

K AND R... No Surprise HERE! Dean is as phony as Hillary Is... CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #93

Thanks for this. boobooday Jan 2016 #3

Et tu, Brute? n/t ejbr Jan 2016 #4

! oh and great sig line! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #16

Disgraceful, absolutely disgraceful. SamKnause Jan 2016 #5

the old politics is the Star Wars prequels, the new the sequels MisterP Jan 2016 #6

Welcome to the dark side... MoonchildCA Jan 2016 #9

Yes, wellllcommme!!!!! LongTomH Jan 2016 #32

Dean is just another sell out. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #7

Very disappointing, I now understand his endorsement of Hillary. Autumn Jan 2016 #8

amazing how all the pieces fit together restorefreedom Jan 2016 #17

Dean Praised Single Payer in 2009 & Michael Moore's film "SICKO" was Targeted by Industry KoKo Jan 2016 #10

He can go suck turds FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #11

+1.nt Snotcicles Jan 2016 #12

I dunno... MynameisBlarney Jan 2016 #18

I agree though I never understood why so many thought Dean ever was a lefty. nt m-lekktor Jan 2016 #36

Perspective of the times Scootaloo Jan 2016 #81

i used to be a deaniac. boy was i a sucker. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #21

He has Changed Big Time. Duppers Jan 2016 #39

yup. he could have channeled his angst into positive rebellion against the system restorefreedom Jan 2016 #55

Howard the Sellout. 99Forever Jan 2016 #13

It takes massive morals, like Bernie, to stay clear of temptation. Gregorian Jan 2016 #14

Amen! appalachiablue Jan 2016 #40

That is what makes this oportunity that we have with Bernie so precious and important. Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #58

Yes dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #87

Wow...I never would have expected this from Howard Dean. MynameisBlarney Jan 2016 #15

Ah. Nyan Jan 2016 #19

No disclosure that he works for the Lobby before the interview either. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #20

hayes is slipping restorefreedom Jan 2016 #23

Agree. He used to be great. Now, not so much. onecaliberal Jan 2016 #24

very sad to watch. i hope he reclaims his integrity and gets out of there. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #26

Hayes is not slipping Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #38

I'm pretty sure he knows that's how he keeps his job at MSNBC. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #44

it appears so. but he used to be even handed restorefreedom Jan 2016 #48

then i guess he slipped. or was never"there" at all, perhaps. at one time i thought he was ok nt restorefreedom Feb 2016 #106

I recall the first time Steve Kornacki was on with Bohunk68 Feb 2016 #104

what happened to Howard??? navarth Jan 2016 #22

Howard Dean used to be a DU Saint Politicub Jan 2016 #25

how about against basic honesty and integrity? restorefreedom Jan 2016 #30

No Howard placed himself under the bus by his duplicitous actions.... Armstead Jan 2016 #31

Woe to anyone who turns out to be a two-faced fraud.... marmar Jan 2016 #33

Here is his page... xocet Jan 2016 #49

Here is Howard's email there, also here is Newt's page on that site dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #88

+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #62

The thing about that is Dean is the same now as he was back then JI7 Jan 2016 #73

Howard sold his soul for pieces of gold. If you call honesty in politics "Sanders orthodoxy" rhett o rick Jan 2016 #74

You don't understand the notion of "conflict of interest," I take it? Scootaloo Jan 2016 #82

Howard used to be in favor of single payer awoke_in_2003 Jan 2016 #90

Yep old howard Faux pas Jan 2016 #27

There's a Bernie storm brewing Howard.... raindaddy Jan 2016 #28

"...comes as he has settled into a corporate lobbying career." SoapBox Jan 2016 #29

. Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #34

lol! nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #50

So, Dr. Dean... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #35

I believe Cyndi said it best ... historylovr Jan 2016 #37

This is just appalling - literally contemptible bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #41

Everyone who doesn't embrace Sanders is either a sell-out or is afraid of him. Hmm... Orrex Jan 2016 #42

Sorry, but Dean is clearly a fraud and a sellout in this case. marmar Jan 2016 #43

has nothing to do with embracing Sanders rurallib Jan 2016 #51

You're aware that that's an ad hominem, right? Orrex Jan 2016 #59

It's only impossible if you look at everything in a moral view mythology Jan 2016 #68

Not when there is overwhelming evidence that points to greed. Kermitt Gribble Jan 2016 #69

Since the OP specifically mentioned Sanders, Orrex Jan 2016 #75

??? dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #89

No but when you get a cushy job with lobbyists for businesses against public halthcare... Armstead Jan 2016 #70

Wow. berni_mccoy Jan 2016 #45

Kick azmom Jan 2016 #46

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #47

Yes, it seems Dean has sold out & has amplified Republican talking point elmac Jan 2016 #52

Another fucking sell-out. With "friends" like these... arcane1 Jan 2016 #53

Looks like Gov. Howard Dean is killing poor people in return for a healthcare NCjack Jan 2016 #54

Boooooo! Helen Borg Jan 2016 #56

Thanks. MSNBC should provide full disclosure as should all "news" services. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #57

...! Good Point! KoKo Jan 2016 #60

He should not be used on MSNBC any longer as a Democratic expert redstatebluegirl Jan 2016 #61

Howard should change his name to Judas Don Draper Jan 2016 #63

Disagreeing with you is not betraying you CreekDog Feb 2016 #100

nice segment rtracey Jan 2016 #64

any attempt to move to single payer has got to start with cost controls questionseverything Jan 2016 #77

K&R abelenkpe Jan 2016 #65

They call it "Industry Capture" - Dean has sold out and is no longer credible. Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #66

This is what transparency is for Babel_17 Jan 2016 #67

I knew this about him, that's why I had fun beating his ass in 2004! Howard the turdway shill. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #76

Intercept shilling again... Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #78

Like Brock's "Correct the Record"? Using that bullshit as a source? djean111 Feb 2016 #105

I'm not even voting for Hillary, genius Blue_Tires Feb 2016 #107

Pathetic if you think you made me feel bad, really. Sarcasm just sorta rolls off. djean111 Feb 2016 #108

Always think Cui Bono sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #79

Dean has joined the "anything for a buck" brigade. Sad. Vinca Jan 2016 #80

Sold us out for 30 pieces of Silver LittleBlue Jan 2016 #83

Really sorry to learn this... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Jan 2016 #84

So long Howard, I thought I knew you merkins Jan 2016 #85

Just a quick reminder, boys and girls Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #86

So Howard Dean really isn't a health care lobbyist now? marmar Jan 2016 #92

I just want folks to be aware when an agenda is in play... Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #97

Makes me sick grahamhgreen Jan 2016 #91

So very disappointing that Howard Dean sold his soul. emsimon33 Jan 2016 #94

Sad and pathetic Bernblu Jan 2016 #95

the pigs bought him olddots Jan 2016 #96

Does he think our system now ISN'T chaos? n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #98

Dean responds: Blue_Tires Jan 2016 #99

I've said Dr. Dean's a centrist, except for health. There goes that exception. merrily Feb 2016 #101

hate to tell you I told you so but I told you so olddots Feb 2016 #102

Too many people's souls have fallen into the depths desmiller Feb 2016 #103