2016 Postmortem

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22. Ding ding ding

Reply to whatthehey (Reply #10)

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 04:13 PM

Jan 2016

Now: convince me Medicare For All wouldn't make that problem in the US worse...

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"Medicare for All" - Do your homework people... [View all] MadDAsHell Jan 2016 OP

My homework has been done reviewing 29 other developed countries, with like plans. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #1

The entire healthcare system needs to be revamped...costs are out of control... Human101948 Jan 2016 #23

Agreed! nt MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #28

single payer enid602 Jan 2016 #83

I imagine your friend would be shocked at some of Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #2

Make less money *and* treat more patients Recursion Jan 2016 #3

How awful -- patients being treated. Armstead Jan 2016 #71

Defend? You think that's a defense of the system? Recursion Jan 2016 #80

Some people may just like 'Medicare for All' as an access concept and figure adjustments will be... Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #4

Almost all Healthcare would essentially be EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #5

No, nothing Sanders is proposing forbids for-profit providers Recursion Jan 2016 #7

Of course Sanders isn't proposing forbidding "for-profit providers". No one has suggested such. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #12

Strawman? Read the damn post I was replying to Recursion Jan 2016 #15

And most of us understand that he means BASIC HEALTH CARE. Seems you misunderstood rhett o rick Jan 2016 #21

If he means basic health care, he's completely wrong Recursion Jan 2016 #24

I didn't say EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #17

I think you're confusing health insurance and health care Recursion Jan 2016 #20

I'm not EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #26

OMG this isn't difficult Recursion Jan 2016 #33

You are confusing Medicaid with Medicare Matariki Jan 2016 #6

No, the poster is not. The difference was clearly shown. leftofcool Jan 2016 #11

Anecdotal evidence from a relative Matariki Jan 2016 #19

I'm not confusing anything...Medicaid pays their costs (albeit behind), Medicare pays less than half MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #32

You may have done your homework but you failed the test anyway. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #8

No s/he didn't do any homework except talk to a relative. Matariki Jan 2016 #9

S/He must not have a problem affording health insurance. Mine went up 33% this year. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #18

So you're saying a brain injury rehab facility can survive on $350 a day per patient... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #34

Your figures are for a current system that includes jacked up "costs" due to having rhett o rick Jan 2016 #41

Insurance profit is 4% of our total healthcare spending. It's a unicorn. Recursion Jan 2016 #47

It won't work anigbrowl Jan 2016 #85

Other countries aggressively negotiate rates whatthehey Jan 2016 #10

Ding ding ding Recursion Jan 2016 #22

Worse than what? whatthehey Jan 2016 #36

How would Medicare For All stop obscene profits and excess? Recursion Jan 2016 #46

By negotiating pricing whatthehey Jan 2016 #48

Medicare for all is a joke. Doctors are dropping medicare patients like flies. leftofcool Jan 2016 #13

That's capitalism for you! Human101948 Jan 2016 #27

Funny how it works in other countries. What would you suggest? nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #44

And they could continue this if everyone were on Medicare how? whatthehey Jan 2016 #50

Easily. Medicare is just another insurance. Doctors don't have to take it to make money. leftofcool Jan 2016 #52

But we can change what "is" quite easily whatthehey Jan 2016 #59

Oh my anigbrowl Jan 2016 #87

He does have a plan and has introduced legislation. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #90

With Medicare for all, it will NOT be "just another insurance"... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #62

Good, then maybe you can ask those 14 doctors here to start taking medicare leftofcool Jan 2016 #75

The thinking is that once the revolution is underway everyone will just go along with it anigbrowl Jan 2016 #88

Just so Hillary supporters know .. Trajan Jan 2016 #14

I work for a hospital. My anecdotal evidence is that most healthcare providers want Medicare for All Matariki Jan 2016 #16

I work at a clinic kenfrequed Jan 2016 #25

You nailed it! Human101948 Jan 2016 #30

Not to mention the extreme time suck of paperwork for multiple insurers. Matariki Jan 2016 #31

Oh gods yes kenfrequed Jan 2016 #37

+1 Matariki Jan 2016 #49

Some larger healthcare providers have employees TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #93

GREAT research! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #29

Of course they do. Wouldn't you like the government to guarantee your revenue stream? Recursion Jan 2016 #35

It's because THEY ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE Matariki Jan 2016 #38

The horse and cart are confused by you. kenfrequed Jan 2016 #40

In Canada, we don't have for profit hospitals Rainforestgoddess Jan 2016 #56

I bet medical school doesn't cost them $600,000 either. Matariki Jan 2016 #58

It's still expensive, but I don't know exactly what it costs. N/t Rainforestgoddess Jan 2016 #94

Yep, both true. You also have fewer doctors but more hospitals per capita Recursion Jan 2016 #79

We do have a doctor shortage Rainforestgoddess Jan 2016 #95

Your "homework" is talking to a like-minded relative? arcane1 Jan 2016 #39

My homework comes from years working in a FQHC friend. MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #43

If you truley had been doing you homework notadmblnd Jan 2016 #92

I think Medicare sucks. My mom had to buy private insurance to make up for all the Medicare seaglass Jan 2016 #42

Agreed 100%. How many of DU's "Medicare for All" cheerleaders are actually ON Medicare? MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #45

I am on Medicare. n/t ljm2002 Jan 2016 #63

It does indeed suck. And so would medicare for all. leftofcool Jan 2016 #53

And what we have now is so great... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #64

You may think Medicare is good as a beneficiary, but that doesn't mean your providers do... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #65

"Medicare, as is and at current rates"... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #66

'Just ain't gonna happen.' anigbrowl Jan 2016 #89

If everyone is on Medicare either the provider will see you or they won't have many customers Vinca Jan 2016 #51

That is my hope. That Medicare for All would make such a dramatic difference that... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #54

It would probably increase to the same level private insurance now reimburses. Vinca Jan 2016 #68

My guess is that having a larger healthier patient population paying in.... Armstead Jan 2016 #73

My doctor moved his practice out of Baltimore beause he couldn't afford all the medicare patients. Vattel Jan 2016 #55

What would the difference be between Medicare or 'single payer'? Matariki Jan 2016 #57

I will ask him what he thinks. He belongs to a single payer advocacy group. Vattel Jan 2016 #69

Thanks. Matariki Jan 2016 #70

"Medicare for all" is merely a communication tool Z_California Jan 2016 #60

The same argument was used against the ACA. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #61

You're mistaken, actually. MineralMan Jan 2016 #67

I agree with you on this. madfloridian Jan 2016 #86

So what do you suggest as an alternative? Armstead Jan 2016 #72

Apparently the flawed wasteful non universal Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #74

My thought is not that it is a bad idea. Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #76

How many billions nation wide do you think INdemo Jan 2016 #77

You sound so familiar. Isn't that one of the arguments used against the ACA? notadmblnd Jan 2016 #78

What, math? MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #81

Don't tell me what I'm saying. I know what I'm saying notadmblnd Jan 2016 #82

We're talking about Insurance Giveaway 2010 correct? MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #84

never been in the health care field. IT was my game notadmblnd Jan 2016 #91