2016 Postmortem

EdwardBernays

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26. I'm not

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 04:14 PM

Jan 2016

Go to the UK.

Public Healthcare and private options.

The rich can buy privilege in private hospital or wait in the public queue. Almost every aspect of the system is basically non profit however.

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"Medicare for All" - Do your homework people... [View all] MadDAsHell Jan 2016 OP

My homework has been done reviewing 29 other developed countries, with like plans. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #1

The entire healthcare system needs to be revamped...costs are out of control... Human101948 Jan 2016 #23

Agreed! nt MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #28

single payer enid602 Jan 2016 #83

I imagine your friend would be shocked at some of Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #2

Make less money *and* treat more patients Recursion Jan 2016 #3

How awful -- patients being treated. Armstead Jan 2016 #71

Defend? You think that's a defense of the system? Recursion Jan 2016 #80

Some people may just like 'Medicare for All' as an access concept and figure adjustments will be... Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #4

Almost all Healthcare would essentially be EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #5

No, nothing Sanders is proposing forbids for-profit providers Recursion Jan 2016 #7

Of course Sanders isn't proposing forbidding "for-profit providers". No one has suggested such. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #12

Strawman? Read the damn post I was replying to Recursion Jan 2016 #15

And most of us understand that he means BASIC HEALTH CARE. Seems you misunderstood rhett o rick Jan 2016 #21

If he means basic health care, he's completely wrong Recursion Jan 2016 #24

I didn't say EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #17

I think you're confusing health insurance and health care Recursion Jan 2016 #20

I'm not EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #26

OMG this isn't difficult Recursion Jan 2016 #33

You are confusing Medicaid with Medicare Matariki Jan 2016 #6

No, the poster is not. The difference was clearly shown. leftofcool Jan 2016 #11

Anecdotal evidence from a relative Matariki Jan 2016 #19

I'm not confusing anything...Medicaid pays their costs (albeit behind), Medicare pays less than half MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #32

You may have done your homework but you failed the test anyway. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #8

No s/he didn't do any homework except talk to a relative. Matariki Jan 2016 #9

S/He must not have a problem affording health insurance. Mine went up 33% this year. rhett o rick Jan 2016 #18

So you're saying a brain injury rehab facility can survive on $350 a day per patient... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #34

Your figures are for a current system that includes jacked up "costs" due to having rhett o rick Jan 2016 #41

Insurance profit is 4% of our total healthcare spending. It's a unicorn. Recursion Jan 2016 #47

It won't work anigbrowl Jan 2016 #85

Other countries aggressively negotiate rates whatthehey Jan 2016 #10

Ding ding ding Recursion Jan 2016 #22

Worse than what? whatthehey Jan 2016 #36

How would Medicare For All stop obscene profits and excess? Recursion Jan 2016 #46

By negotiating pricing whatthehey Jan 2016 #48

Medicare for all is a joke. Doctors are dropping medicare patients like flies. leftofcool Jan 2016 #13

That's capitalism for you! Human101948 Jan 2016 #27

Funny how it works in other countries. What would you suggest? nm rhett o rick Jan 2016 #44

And they could continue this if everyone were on Medicare how? whatthehey Jan 2016 #50

Easily. Medicare is just another insurance. Doctors don't have to take it to make money. leftofcool Jan 2016 #52

But we can change what "is" quite easily whatthehey Jan 2016 #59

Oh my anigbrowl Jan 2016 #87

He does have a plan and has introduced legislation. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #90

With Medicare for all, it will NOT be "just another insurance"... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #62

Good, then maybe you can ask those 14 doctors here to start taking medicare leftofcool Jan 2016 #75

The thinking is that once the revolution is underway everyone will just go along with it anigbrowl Jan 2016 #88

Just so Hillary supporters know .. Trajan Jan 2016 #14

I work for a hospital. My anecdotal evidence is that most healthcare providers want Medicare for All Matariki Jan 2016 #16

I work at a clinic kenfrequed Jan 2016 #25

You nailed it! Human101948 Jan 2016 #30

Not to mention the extreme time suck of paperwork for multiple insurers. Matariki Jan 2016 #31

Oh gods yes kenfrequed Jan 2016 #37

+1 Matariki Jan 2016 #49

Some larger healthcare providers have employees TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #93

GREAT research! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #29

Of course they do. Wouldn't you like the government to guarantee your revenue stream? Recursion Jan 2016 #35

It's because THEY ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT PEOPLE Matariki Jan 2016 #38

The horse and cart are confused by you. kenfrequed Jan 2016 #40

In Canada, we don't have for profit hospitals Rainforestgoddess Jan 2016 #56

I bet medical school doesn't cost them $600,000 either. Matariki Jan 2016 #58

It's still expensive, but I don't know exactly what it costs. N/t Rainforestgoddess Jan 2016 #94

Yep, both true. You also have fewer doctors but more hospitals per capita Recursion Jan 2016 #79

We do have a doctor shortage Rainforestgoddess Jan 2016 #95

Your "homework" is talking to a like-minded relative? arcane1 Jan 2016 #39

My homework comes from years working in a FQHC friend. MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #43

If you truley had been doing you homework notadmblnd Jan 2016 #92

I think Medicare sucks. My mom had to buy private insurance to make up for all the Medicare seaglass Jan 2016 #42

Agreed 100%. How many of DU's "Medicare for All" cheerleaders are actually ON Medicare? MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #45

I am on Medicare. n/t ljm2002 Jan 2016 #63

It does indeed suck. And so would medicare for all. leftofcool Jan 2016 #53

And what we have now is so great... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #64

You may think Medicare is good as a beneficiary, but that doesn't mean your providers do... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #65

"Medicare, as is and at current rates"... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #66

'Just ain't gonna happen.' anigbrowl Jan 2016 #89

If everyone is on Medicare either the provider will see you or they won't have many customers Vinca Jan 2016 #51

That is my hope. That Medicare for All would make such a dramatic difference that... MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #54

It would probably increase to the same level private insurance now reimburses. Vinca Jan 2016 #68

My guess is that having a larger healthier patient population paying in.... Armstead Jan 2016 #73

My doctor moved his practice out of Baltimore beause he couldn't afford all the medicare patients. Vattel Jan 2016 #55

What would the difference be between Medicare or 'single payer'? Matariki Jan 2016 #57

I will ask him what he thinks. He belongs to a single payer advocacy group. Vattel Jan 2016 #69

Thanks. Matariki Jan 2016 #70

"Medicare for all" is merely a communication tool Z_California Jan 2016 #60

The same argument was used against the ACA. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #61

You're mistaken, actually. MineralMan Jan 2016 #67

I agree with you on this. madfloridian Jan 2016 #86

So what do you suggest as an alternative? Armstead Jan 2016 #72

Apparently the flawed wasteful non universal Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #74

My thought is not that it is a bad idea. Tommy2Tone Jan 2016 #76

How many billions nation wide do you think INdemo Jan 2016 #77

You sound so familiar. Isn't that one of the arguments used against the ACA? notadmblnd Jan 2016 #78

What, math? MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #81

Don't tell me what I'm saying. I know what I'm saying notadmblnd Jan 2016 #82

We're talking about Insurance Giveaway 2010 correct? MadDAsHell Jan 2016 #84

never been in the health care field. IT was my game notadmblnd Jan 2016 #91