2016 Postmortem

riversedge

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114. Are you saying Bernie will not keep his promise??....

Reply to Human101948 (Reply #9)

Thu Jan 14, 2016, 03:58 PM

Jan 2016

From todays nytimes.....Jan 14

.....Mr. Sanders has promised to release details of how he would pay for his universal health care plan before the caucuses, and Mrs. Clinton has been warning that his proposal would mean a big tax increase on the middle class.

No word on whether Mr. Sanders will offer more specifics about paying for the plan on Thursday................

www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2016/01/14/bernie-sanders-heads-to-new-hampshire-following-his-momentum-there/

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Iowans deserve to know Sanders full tax and $15 trillion health care plan before the Iowa caucuses. [View all] Alfresco Jan 2016 OP

Meanwhile they can read about the plan he filed as a bill in the senate in 2013 Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #1

When will Bernie release his full tax plan as promised? Alfresco Jan 2016 #4

The 2013 legislation provides details on how that bill would be funded. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #10

Why doesn't he put these details on his website or publically announce them?? -like Hillary does!! riversedge Jan 2016 #78

Why would anyone safeinOhio Jan 2016 #90

You did not answer my question riversedge Jan 2016 #110

Likely because he wants it right the first time. floriduck Jan 2016 #108

As of right now the only thing Sanders is doing is being unfair to Iowa voters.... riversedge Jan 2016 #111

You're entitled to your opinion. floriduck Jan 2016 #118

Nate Silver has Hillary at 82% to win Iowa--Same as last everning riversedge Jan 2016 #119

When will Hillary's weather-vane point in the right direction Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #106

So you can't answer the question either. hmm... Alfresco Jan 2016 #107

You repeat the word in most of your posts. Suggest get something new. It is boring. riversedge Jan 2016 #112

The one with a 7% payroll tax? Recursion Jan 2016 #8

On employers. Oy. On individuals: 2.2% - 5.2% depending on income. Oy. Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #13

Yeah, good luck with that Recursion Jan 2016 #17

reducing average healthcare costs for everyone? Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #19

that is going to fuck every single down ballot Democrat. nt msanthrope Jan 2016 #22

But at least somebody will have "fought", or something Recursion Jan 2016 #23

we have a chance to take the Senate back. msanthrope Jan 2016 #28

lol EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #24

you're laughing at losing Senate races? msanthrope Jan 2016 #27

I'm laughing at your desperate fearmongering EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #30

Which part? Agschmid Jan 2016 #37

No EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #47

Hmmm... Agschmid Jan 2016 #50

When I think of what costs me more every year, is it taxes or is it healthcare? Far and away it is Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #54

yeah but EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #58

I like Bernie's plan CorkySt.Clair Jan 2016 #97

when have we been wininng senate races? Hiraeth Jan 2016 #88

Really Dretownblues Jan 2016 #103

That's cheaper than health insurance premiums and deductibles! TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #46

Depends. I've had jobs where it was less and jobs where it was more Recursion Jan 2016 #75

You do know that your payments for insurance go away right? Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #69

And so people whose employers pay for their insurance do worse Recursion Jan 2016 #74

Who has an employer that pays all their insurance any more. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #80

Several of mine have Recursion Jan 2016 #83

Nope. Apparently they have bought into rightwing Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #99

Whow. Business will NOT like that. Now wonder he hides these figures riversedge Jan 2016 #79

Whow who cares? By the way for businesses Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #95

thread fucking win. nt restorefreedom Jan 2016 #64

Top Economist Says Bernie’s Plan Will Actually SAVE the US $5 Trillion Human101948 Jan 2016 #2

When will Bernie release his full tax plan as promised? Alfresco Jan 2016 #5

That horse is dead! Human101948 Jan 2016 #9

Are you saying Bernie will not keep his promise??.... riversedge Jan 2016 #114

Do you have any other questions besides the one that has been answered to Bohunk68 Jan 2016 #48

Please show me where Bernie has released his full tax plan. You can't. He hasn't. Alfresco Jan 2016 #73

You are correct--According to todays nytimes. Sanders promised to say how will pay for his riversedge Jan 2016 #116

Good luck with that Recursion Jan 2016 #11

The tax increase is an actual cost decrease! sonofspy777 Jan 2016 #40

You think voters will care? Recursion Jan 2016 #44

The ones with functional brains do. 99Forever Jan 2016 #55

But winning candidates have to (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #56

Winning candidates? 99Forever Jan 2016 #60

Ouch. n/t tazkcmo Jan 2016 #65

Do you think I imagine my candidate is winning? (nt) Recursion Jan 2016 #68

You political preference kind of speaks to value of... 99Forever Jan 2016 #72

They polls show they do. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #66

I think that's false Recursion Jan 2016 #76

Really? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #77

It's not "strange"; it's broadly accepted among political operatives Recursion Jan 2016 #81

Only emotion? tazkcmo Jan 2016 #86

I have never voted based on an emotional connection to a candidate. Autumn Jan 2016 #91

The GOP newblewtoo Jan 2016 #89

Iowans deserve to know why Hillary and Chelsea lie about Bernie's health care plan Green Forest Jan 2016 #3

When will Bernie release his full tax plan as promised? Alfresco Jan 2016 #6

When it's ready. When will Hillary and her campaign stop lying about Bernie? Green Forest Jan 2016 #35

Do you see how having LIAR associated with your candidate can be fatal? DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #93

Come on now, be nice to Green Forest. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #100

I am being nice, but I won't be nice to a candidate who lies about my candidate. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #101

I'm sure Green Forest didn't mean any harm. Just let it go, you'll feel better for it. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #102

I'll just keep on doing as I see fit, if that works for you. Thanks. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #104

They know why EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #31

LOL! How many ops is this now? Beat that dead horse! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #7

Sometimes constant refocusing is needed. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #12

needed when Hillary is panicking virtualobserver Jan 2016 #14

When Bernie releases his full tax plan I will stop, not until. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #15

No you won't. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #70

When Bernie fulfills his promise to release the tax plan, I'll quit asking about it. Scouts honor. Alfresco Jan 2016 #71

you noticed too Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #20

Well performance art can be entertaining. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #25

Good Morning Duckhunter. :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #26

good morning Duckhunter935 Jan 2016 #42

15 TRILLION!?! holy FUCK! Wow, that sure sounds like a lot. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #16

That's pretty clear on the $!5 trillion . Thanks Autumn Jan 2016 #92

No way will it cost 15 trillion coyote Jan 2016 #18

That is why Bernie needs to release his full tax plan so we will know the costs. Alfresco Jan 2016 #21

Why? coyote Jan 2016 #32

and he will virtualobserver Jan 2016 #41

No. Single Payer doesn't magically make doctors make less money Recursion Jan 2016 #29

Here are some salaries of Doctors in Germany...mind you the Euro is 10% stronger than the Dollar. coyote Jan 2016 #36

Check your data. German doctors start under 50k and max out at 80k Recursion Jan 2016 #38

You´re wrong and nor am I cherry picking the data. coyote Jan 2016 #45

Here's a start Recursion Jan 2016 #85

Max out at $80,000 TexasMommaWithAHat Jan 2016 #49

No way in hell Elmergantry Jan 2016 #59

You won't take on huge debt in a changed system. Ron Green Jan 2016 #87

Huh? Elmergantry Jan 2016 #98

In a rational system, the "free market" (including med. school loans) doesn't control everything. Ron Green Jan 2016 #115

cause a comprehensive system will subsidize them. Elmergantry Jan 2016 #117

Try PNHP. Or HCAO. Or MVHCA. Ron Green Jan 2016 #120

Euros. And yet it happens all over Europe Recursion Jan 2016 #84

Hope your German is up to this DFW Jan 2016 #109

Freedom to move Protalker Jan 2016 #33

Its not about the merits of his proposal. It's about puting the financials out for voters to decide. Alfresco Jan 2016 #82

Just an observation. Vinca Jan 2016 #34

STOP FEEDING THIS THREAD. LET IT DIE because the OP wants it to be kicked by angry Berners. Green Forest Jan 2016 #39

No, I want Bernie to release his full tax plan. Simple as that. Alfresco Jan 2016 #43

As my dear departed Irish Mother used to say: 99Forever Jan 2016 #63

So you kick it? Agschmid Jan 2016 #52

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #51

K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #53

We are going to spend that money ANYWAY. This is not on top of what we are already spending. djean111 Jan 2016 #57

K&R leftofcool Jan 2016 #61

How clever ! ... Trajan Jan 2016 #62

I'm back. Got a question about my question? :-) Alfresco Jan 2016 #67

Republican tack. Show us the cost without mmonk Jan 2016 #94

Yeah that Bernie. He hasn't shown the cost or the savings in his tax plan like promised. Alfresco Jan 2016 #96

The ball is in Bernies court--He needs to keep his promise...... riversedge Jan 2016 #113

If he keeps playing these games, it's only going to R B Garr Jan 2016 #105