2016 Postmortem

vi5

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82. The fact is the best any of us can hope for...

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 09:34 AM

Jan 2016

...is for someone to start from a leftward position and be inevitably pulled rightward by the broken system we have.

That means the last thing many of us want is someone starting from a center position only to be pulled even further rightward by that same broken system.

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Sanders Supporters:If he wins don't be surprised when he surrounds himself with people you despise [View all] Empowerer Jan 2016 OP

The same can probably be said for any winning politician. forest444 Jan 2016 #1

Or vote against a bill because of rural?!?! Sanders already has done that... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #6

Who, exactly, do you think you are "schooling," here? Scootaloo Jan 2016 #2

I'm at least as "entitled" to speak my mind as you are to demand I provide you my bona fides ... Empowerer Jan 2016 #10

Sure. I'm just saying it's incredibly arrogant and presumptuous. Scootaloo Jan 2016 #11

I'm not a "dude." Empowerer Jan 2016 #20

i'm tired of being chided by nobodies who imagine themselves in a position to talk down to me Scootaloo Jan 2016 #23

It sounds like you have some personal issues that have nothing to do with me Empowerer Jan 2016 #25

Pssst. Puglover Jan 2016 #125

Sounds like you think Bernie is going to win then Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #142

I don't think he's necessarily going to win. I just don't think he's not going to win. Empowerer Jan 2016 #143

Just posted about this on another thread seconds ago that out of the millions of people uponit7771 Jan 2016 #3

She did her best to earn it. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #70

Oh, goodie, chervilant Jan 2016 #4

We saw Obama do that, agreed. But Bernie is different in one big important way 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #5

If it comes to coalition Sanders isn't doing to we'll right now... Not to many people who've been uponit7771 Jan 2016 #14

You know as well as I do that Hillary had most of those 'endorsements' before 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #22

Couple of points uponit7771 Jan 2016 #32

Fair enough. We shall see what we shall see. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #38

Sanders is closing but not surpassed Clinton... The closing was expected... Surpassing her in sc isn uponit7771 Jan 2016 #39

Hey! madokie Jan 2016 #49

If Trump is selected as GOP candidate Donald Duck can win the election, he's a hateful bastard... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #144

I will simply point you to this post madokie Jan 2016 #146

Exposing the truth from the presidential pulpit will be his biggest early value lostnfound Jan 2016 #108

No he wont, where in the world are people getting this from?!!? They hate, that's what lures them uponit7771 Jan 2016 #145

So the crooks and sell out crowd aren't endorsing him.. Thank God! n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #43

That is good to know huh madokie Jan 2016 #50

I don't see him going there Mnpaul Jan 2016 #64

True, but not too many establishment DNC congress people lined up for Obama, either. ancianita Jan 2016 #73

Meh... nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #7

rust never sleeps.... think Jan 2016 #8

Different is different mikehiggins Jan 2016 #9

I'm not saying he "HAS" to hire people who've "screwed the pooch" Empowerer Jan 2016 #17

How do you know all of this I ask madokie Jan 2016 #51

In spite of your words, are you not, in fact, reading Bernie's mind? Oh, and in addition libdem4life Jan 2016 #134

People know there's a different way but not a purist one that Sanders himself derides Clinton for.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #24

Bernie is not different. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #12

Who are you? And why are you here? think Jan 2016 #13

I support Hillary. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #15

All you do is denigrate the left. Are you right? think Jan 2016 #16

He doesn't denigrate anyone. He knows bernie can't win. leftofcool Jan 2016 #63

"The professional left." "The regressive left." "The left flank." think Jan 2016 #80

He doesn't "know' any such thing and neither do you. whathehell Jan 2016 #102

First "professional left," now "regressive left." Scootaloo Jan 2016 #28

Wait a minute! I thought Clinton was the Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #44

She's also your Croatian great-aunt. Or... something, maybe it gets lost in the shaky translation Scootaloo Jan 2016 #46

+1, that's been noted over and over again on GDP that Sanders just picked different vises... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #19

Wow! Somebody has been upset at "the left flank" for a long, long time. stone space Jan 2016 #26

The left flank got their way in 2008? Mnpaul Jan 2016 #68

You got your pony of choice, Obama. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #118

Right of center Obama was too progessive for you, eh? LondonReign2 Jan 2016 #132

My pony of choice? Mnpaul Jan 2016 #137

Rah for the Right Flank! LondonReign2 Jan 2016 #131

Dude, Obama an Clinton both ran as center right Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #140

Hahaha, draa Jan 2016 #18

Whatever Empowerer Jan 2016 #21

Those corporate "sharp minds" have done wonders for this country and its people. Skwmom Jan 2016 #27

Those politicians who have debts to pay to donors do that. Cleita Jan 2016 #29

That has nothing to do with it Empowerer Jan 2016 #31

There will always be TPTB think Jan 2016 #36

I doubt it. I seem to like what he does. Cleita Jan 2016 #114

I've given to him 4 or 5 times now madokie Jan 2016 #52

So do I. Cleita Jan 2016 #113

His cabinet won't be center right appointments. joshcryer Jan 2016 #30

I don't believe this for a second... The purist will be disappointed uponit7771 Jan 2016 #34

I'm wasn't talking about their politics Empowerer Jan 2016 #37

kick Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #33

I figure as long as he doesnt appoint you, I'm good with whoever he picks. He it trustworthy, litlbilly Jan 2016 #35

Thanks, Professor. Gee, but you're smart! n/t bvf Jan 2016 #40

Well Hillary already has done this and they are her biggest donors. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #41

Two things come through loud and clear in your OP. senz Jan 2016 #42

Thanks for the advice. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #45

The grapes, they are sour Fumesucker Jan 2016 #47

OMG she's consorting with evil personified, America's Dr. Strangelove. Zen Democrat Jan 2016 #104

For the most part madokie Jan 2016 #48

I suspect it's safe to say he's not going to give Debbie Wasserman Schultz a job. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #53

I'll take my chances. GoneFishin Jan 2016 #54

Dear sir or Madam DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #55

You seem to be pulling some punches, and contempt of those people for the process was just the start nolabels Jan 2016 #107

admittedly I was trying to make the stew DonCoquixote Jan 2016 #124

Unlikely that he'll suddenly change. He's represented me for almost 3 decades cali Jan 2016 #56

Hillary has already surrounded herself, IMO, with people I don't like. djean111 Jan 2016 #57

Just so we're clear EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #58

And nothing WILL get done until Congress is reconfigured. randome Jan 2016 #69

Wellllll EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #72

In other news.... Cats meow. MrMickeysMom Jan 2016 #59

I'm pretty sure I won't be surprised when Hillary surrounds herself with people I despise. Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2016 #60

Hilariously, that seems to be presented as a "plus" here. bwahahaha! djean111 Jan 2016 #61

I don't care if he has some rich people in his administration. Vattel Jan 2016 #62

I believe you are confusing him with Democrats mmonk Jan 2016 #65

Your concern is noted. 99Forever Jan 2016 #66

I'm sure that HRC would surround herself with people that absolutely love the 99% hobbit709 Jan 2016 #67

This isn't about Hillary Clinton Empowerer Jan 2016 #78

You are really soundind desperate! nt Logical Jan 2016 #85

Only to someone not paying attention Empowerer Jan 2016 #87

Lol, it is always some BS bogus reason why Hillary needs to win, we are not that stupid! Nt Logical Jan 2016 #90

Who said anything about "Hillary needs to win?" I certainly didn't Empowerer Jan 2016 #96

Your posting history is clear! Like i said, nice try! Nt Logical Jan 2016 #99

Apparently, you think that I'm as narrow-minded as you seem to be Empowerer Jan 2016 #100

Ignore you? No way, need to keep an eye on you. Nt Logical Jan 2016 #111

You need to "keep an eye on" me? Empowerer Jan 2016 #112

This is where Hillary Clinton fails in campaigns CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #88

Good Lord Empowerer Jan 2016 #89

Lol, nothing to do with hillary! Classic. Nt Logical Jan 2016 #91

Only for folks like you who are so obsessed with her that you find it impossible Empowerer Jan 2016 #92

I read your other hillary posts, nice try, you are a Hillary fan! nt Logical Jan 2016 #98

Probably, but Bernie's in an experienced position to set the course of use of their expertise. ancianita Jan 2016 #71

You are right about Congress Empowerer Jan 2016 #76

Totally with you. Progs withdrew just as Koch types started buying up state governments. ALEC ancianita Jan 2016 #103

There are expertsd and there are experts Armstead Jan 2016 #74

Seems there might have been a deal struck... NCTraveler Jan 2016 #75

Well, I guess it will have to be a surprise for us. Vinca Jan 2016 #77

This isn't about Hillary Clinton Empowerer Jan 2016 #79

Is this really going to be the new narrative? CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #81

It's not a "narrative" - it's a point of view Empowerer Jan 2016 #86

It's a "narrative" all right... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #97

No - you just seem to think that anyone who doesn't plaster Sanders gifs all over their posts and Empowerer Jan 2016 #101

My suggestion for their next narrative jeff47 Jan 2016 #109

The fact is the best any of us can hope for... vi5 Jan 2016 #82

Well, this is an interesting development. LWolf Jan 2016 #83

Lol, a new attempt from hillary fans to change our minds! nt Logical Jan 2016 #84

Sounds like the goalposts are already being moved - bullwinkle428 Jan 2016 #93

As long as they are implementing his policies, so be it. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #94

Research this posters hillary posts, totally a hillary supporter. Nice try! nt Logical Jan 2016 #95

It was obvious the op was from the status quo is inevitable post. JRLeft Jan 2016 #110

Thank you for your concern. LOL! merrily Jan 2016 #105

You're welcome Empowerer Jan 2016 #120

Bernie will probally appoint some who supported clinton over him Robbins Jan 2016 #106

Glad most saw this post for what it was, a backass way to attack bernie. Nt Logical Jan 2016 #115

How do you read my OP as an attack on Sanders, "backass" or otherwise? n/t Empowerer Jan 2016 #116

Please list the people President Sanders will ... 99Forever Jan 2016 #117

What are you basing your many prognostications upon? Tea leaves? Tarot Cards? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #119

There's a big difference between creating "alliances" as a Senator and populating Empowerer Jan 2016 #121

That is not responsive to my questions, it's just more of you saying things you believe based Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #122

The belief that the rich and powerful have the "keenest minds" is America's problem DemocraticWing Jan 2016 #123

Excellent advice that falls on deaf ears with his loudest supporters. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #126

I didn't kiss Sanders' ring or arse, so my OP was, by definition, an attack on him Empowerer Jan 2016 #135

Sad but true. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #139

Your concern is duly noted. Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #127

But there will not be as many HassleCat Jan 2016 #128

"Vote for my candidate..." Tien1985 Jan 2016 #129

Complete and utter bullshit. Le Taz Hot Jan 2016 #130

Sure he is. But methinks thy 'friendly advice' has ye olde ulterior motive. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #133

Right, because the folks who don't support Bernie have been so right about Bernie up to now. aikoaiko Jan 2016 #136

So now they have moved on to worrying about Sander's appointments Mnpaul Jan 2016 #138

no names? just "people"? Ooooo. Bad attempt at fearmongering. nt TeamPooka Jan 2016 #141