2016 Postmortem

Yavin4

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59. Much better to get incremental victories which makes the overall goal easier to achieve

Reply to Old Codger (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 15, 2016, 12:05 PM

Jan 2016

Going for it all and failing scares away other politicians from trying.

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If Bernie could not convince his Senate colleagues to pass a Public Option with the ACA [View all] Yavin4 Jan 2016 OP

If at first you don't succeed, give up. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #1

Or, if you can't win at one thing, try something else... brooklynite Jan 2016 #82

FUCKING SHIT! Bernie is generating momentum NOW. Get on board and make it happen. He cannot do it Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #2

Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #6

I swear a lot. I felt vindicated after a recent study revealed that people who use the salty talk Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #9

I swear a lot too! fleur-de-lisa Jan 2016 #11

Me too! JRLeft Jan 2016 #28

Plus scatology raises the tone of the discussion no end Hekate Jan 2016 #122

You dislike my word choices? I don't give a scat. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #123

That's one Hillbot that won't be able to alert for 24 hours. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #26

Hillbot? Really. MineralMan Jan 2016 #40

I could have said acolyte of the Anointed One. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #41

You could have said "Hillary supporter." MineralMan Jan 2016 #49

I'm not polite to people that send in idiotic alerts. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #55

I see. To whom are you polite, I wonder? MineralMan Jan 2016 #56

Yup. Agschmid Jan 2016 #65

Do you prefer 'alert stalker'? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #118

Why would I prefer that? MineralMan Jan 2016 #124

It's more offensive being alert stalked AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #133

I checked, and you have zero hidden posts. MineralMan Jan 2016 #134

An alert stalker, put on the sidelines for 24 hrs. 99Forever Jan 2016 #43

Rhetorical question alert: the hallmark of a weak and intellectually dishonest alert. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #68

Even if "fucking shit" referred to the opinion, so fucking what? Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #95

Some people are so .... delicate. Lil Missy Jan 2016 #127

where have we heard this before? handmade34 Jan 2016 #104

Bernie is not just running for President. He is building a movement. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #3

How does that convince Mitch McConnell to bring up the measure for a vote? n/t Yavin4 Jan 2016 #18

I am predicting a Democratic Sweep which will change the leadership in congress. Nictuku Jan 2016 #29

Bernie has his work cut out for him Nictuku Jan 2016 #30

How does Bernie convince people in ALA, MS, KY, WV, LA, SC, NC, GA, TX, TN, WY, Idaho, ND, SD, Yavin4 Jan 2016 #32

By continuing to tell the truth! Nictuku Jan 2016 #47

This. Nobody is pointing the finger of blame where it belongs except Bernie. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #107

Maybe not Old Codger Jan 2016 #53

Fighting cheer: What do we want? Incremental change, glacial pace. When do we want it? mahina Jan 2016 #129

I wanted it before Old Codger Jan 2016 #132

He doesn't. You don't get the point. You and others like you do, after he sets it up. highprincipleswork Jan 2016 #88

Okay-where's the rest of the movement? brooklynite Jan 2016 #37

We force them to. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #48

Then shame on them Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #51

What are they talking about? Just their re elections? Autumn Jan 2016 #121

Then he has to get a Congress full of progressives treestar Jan 2016 #73

Agendas don't get passed & singed into law without a supportive Congress. baldguy Jan 2016 #91

IIRC voters were angry that Prez Obama gave up on single payer. katsy Jan 2016 #4

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jan 2016 #85

Your contention is that we lost the House in 2010 because Obama didn't get single payer mythology Jan 2016 #93

Quite likely we may have lost the majority anyway, for the reasons you say. eomer Jan 2016 #106

No no I'm sorry katsy Jan 2016 #109

How will Hollory get anything done for America seeing how R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2016 #5

Because he stands for those things. They mmonk Jan 2016 #7

this! Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #12

Plenty of excuses for why Obama could not do it, but none for Indie Senator Sanders. merrily Jan 2016 #8

Obama wasn't in the Senate. Bernie was. Yavin4 Jan 2016 #22

You're implying that POTUS and head of the Democratic Party is more merrily Jan 2016 #25

what was Bernie's excuse? treestar Jan 2016 #74

Obviously Bernie is not going to be able to do it if the POTUS can't Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #77

What a disingenuous post! Name all the things Obama did that show how hard he tried. merrily Jan 2016 #90

.......... polly7 Jan 2016 #94

Went to the links Mother Of Four Jan 2016 #100

You're welcome, Mother Of Four. Thanks for going to the links. nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #105

Vote out Corp GOP/Dems? fredamae Jan 2016 #10

It's not going to be the same Senate, we have these things called "elections" thesquanderer Jan 2016 #13

And it's The House that will Remain the Roadblock... Herman4747 Jan 2016 #17

You need 60 votes in the Senate to cut off debate Yavin4 Jan 2016 #20

We have to try. Stop fighting us. nt stillwaiting Jan 2016 #27

We need to go back to making them really filibuster Goblinmonger Jan 2016 #52

A lot can happen in 8 years. thesquanderer Jan 2016 #63

believe. . . enid602 Jan 2016 #14

Bully Pulpit. eom corkhead Jan 2016 #15

Dunno. How will Mrs Clinton? malthaussen Jan 2016 #16

She's not advocating Single Payer like Bernie is. n/t Yavin4 Jan 2016 #19

In other words, she wouldn't try. malthaussen Jan 2016 #23

In other words ... frazzled Jan 2016 #64

You are COMPLETELY misrepresenting Bernie Sanders, what he campaigns on, and the stillwaiting Jan 2016 #67

Um, no frazzled Jan 2016 #69

He's not PROMISING anything. Listen to any one of his stump speeches. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #70

It's a call for Sanders to reveal how he'd pay for his proposal. #ImWithHer riversedge Jan 2016 #98

As she evolves it seem obvioius that it is easy for her mikehiggins Jan 2016 #102

"just to win some votes"... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #114

So how will Hillary get anything she's talking about through Congress? Kall Jan 2016 #86

They won't admit she'll succeed by promoting policies repubs will agree with. arcane1 Jan 2016 #81

And how will Hillary get anything (progressive) done? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #21

I really understand the sentiment and agree Thenewire Jan 2016 #31

Yes, like she didn't support dismantling welfare.....oh wait, she did. jeff47 Jan 2016 #36

I really hope you are right. Thenewire Jan 2016 #38

There's almost two decades of polling backing me up. jeff47 Jan 2016 #46

Who is polling better right now against Trump or Cruz? ljm2002 Jan 2016 #115

General election polling doesn't matter at this point. Thenewire Jan 2016 #125

If liberalism generally doesn't rely on fear mongering... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #131

Simple Thenewire Jan 2016 #135

Well, again, I will point out that YOU are fear mongering... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #136

Those polls are meaningless Thenewire Jan 2016 #137

Terribly sorry... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #138

I completely disagree with your assessment. And, if that really does sadden you join the fight. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #44

You think that Bernie would destroy what has been accomplished, and Hilary won't Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #45

What has been accomplished is the dems have been dragged so far right that onecaliberal Jan 2016 #103

Such a stupid argument when our government is so thoroughly corrupted currently. stillwaiting Jan 2016 #24

If Bernie fought long and hard for Single Payer and it failed to pass... Yavin4 Jan 2016 #35

If he did that and we ended up having more people in Congress that support single payer... stillwaiting Jan 2016 #39

Much better Old Codger Jan 2016 #58

Much better to get incremental victories which makes the overall goal easier to achieve Yavin4 Jan 2016 #59

Why in the world would politicians be SCARED about supporting something that a majority of stillwaiting Jan 2016 #61

well Old Codger Jan 2016 #62

You mean, like Harry Truman's failed effort for government health care? Jim Lane Jan 2016 #75

" No future Dem candidate is ever going to run on repealing the ACA,"... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #116

Someday, people who oppose Sanders will actually understand jeff47 Jan 2016 #33

ha, yes-- I tend to think electing Bernie as sending a long overdue message to the PTB Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #79

I'm sensing a theme Capt. Obvious Jan 2016 #34

Ummm... it was never on the table. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #42

And yet he wants to keep trying to get everyone healthcare, unlike the candidate who tried for it in Doctor_J Jan 2016 #50

Different Senate, and we will. Not he. WE. Fearless Jan 2016 #54

Always nice to hear from the... 99Forever Jan 2016 #57

Clinton already tried in the 90s. randome Jan 2016 #60

You mean Hillary Clinton, right? ljm2002 Jan 2016 #119

YOU DO UNDERSTAND THAT So Many Of Our So Called ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #66

It's hard, so we shouldn't even try? Maedhros Jan 2016 #71

It's hard to work within the Democratic party, as Sanders is trying to do. randome Jan 2016 #110

good point, I think the answer treestar Jan 2016 #72

And yet a clear majority of Americans... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #120

Especially with the way the President was unflaggingly keeping his campaign pledges! How on Earth villager Jan 2016 #76

By contrast, Hillary DID convince her Senate colleagues to pass the Iraq War Resolution. Jim Lane Jan 2016 #78

What evidence do you have that she convinced anyone else? brooklynite Jan 2016 #83

You're right. It's quite possible that no one in the Senate gave a good goddam what she thought. Jim Lane Jan 2016 #87

And she repeated EVERY ONE of Bush's lies, verbatim, to get it done. arcane1 Jan 2016 #84

You surrender awfully easy n/t arcane1 Jan 2016 #80

Haven't you heard there is an election. We don't have to keep " that same Senate". Vincardog Jan 2016 #89

There is a very small window tucked into the Affordable Care Act which gives states the option Samantha Jan 2016 #92

Excellent comment. eom saltpoint Jan 2016 #130

Vote for Hillary because she won't try to do anything Republicans wont agree to! Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #96

Public Option was Obama's proposal not Bernies betterdemsonly Jan 2016 #97

Your desperation is showing. 99Forever Jan 2016 #99

pick up Senate and Gov seats in general; primary conservative congressional Dems zazen Jan 2016 #101

How did your progressive Senate candidate do redstateblues Jan 2016 #108

Great! None of the Senate and Gov seats will be won by advocates of Single Payer... brooklynite Jan 2016 #111

Yep. Reality is stubborn like that underthematrix Jan 2016 #126

DU Rec. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #112

False equivalence... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #113

He wasn't president then AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #117

Doorknobs at the Ford Theater saltpoint Jan 2016 #128