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JDPriestly

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81. What in the world did the Clintons achieve?
Fri Jan 15, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jan 2016

Staying in the White House for 8 years whatever the cost to the American people?

Think small -- that's the motto of the Clintons.

And what Bill Clinton did to our economy when he signed NAFTA and then Welfare "Reform" and the repeal of Glass-Steagall and lousy bill after lousy bill. And then you complain that there is NO MONEY???? Of course not. Not after the Clintons did what they did and George W. Bush finished off our job market and economy. No way.

Thanks to the Clintons and Barak Obama, unions are weaker now than ever and our economy is marked by extreme disparity between rich and poor. Our erstwhile middle class has also been weakened.

Yes. The Republicans are responsible. But they are either trapped in a sick ideology or members of the class that is profiting from the corruption that has permitted the development of such a disparity in wealth and income.

Almost as responsible and more reprehensibly so because they are not bound by a crazy ideology that requires them to do what they do, are the Democrats who give lip service to equality, to opportunity and to social justice when it is easy but who fail to stand up when courage is demanded.

The situation in Wisconsin in which faint protests of the DNC and the Obama administration to the destruction of labor union members' lives as they struggled to safeguard their rights -- that was shameful.

Face it. The American people are waking up to Bernie Sanders' call for justice.

This happens every once in a while. Think of the Civil War. Think of the populist movement that cleaned government and, for a short time attacked monopolies. Think of FDR and the reforms he began including Social Security.

I do not want to be rude. But I believe that it is time for another populist movement that will result in more social justice for people of color, immigrants, senior citizens frightened about their Social Security, young people struggling with student debt and those too ill or too poor or just not fitting the mold for the ACA who need health insurance and care.

It is time to rethink our justice system. We need to find a new way to deal with addiction, in our society, something that is organized around not just the justice system but community and healthcare.

We need to do more for young people who graduate from college with terrible debt and then who cannot find jobs.

We need to encourage more saving and discourage some of the borrowing.

We need higher wages for working people.

We need less reliance on imported goods.

Bernie is speaking to needs, not to frivolous wants, in our society.

My mother used to say: You need to know your needs from your wants.

She was very wise.

I would say that Bernie Sanders is a man who knows his personal wants from his needs and that, in addition to setting an example for America in that respect, will lead our country into understanding that, as a nation, discerning between our wants and our needs will FREE US, not enchain us.

Feel the Bern!

(I don't think any of us expect Bernie to achieve all that he is talking about in just four or eight short years. He is placing before us a platform that we can work toward as a society. I for one am fed up with seeing so many homeless on our streets, paying the exorbitant cost of medications that were developed a long time ago, etc. Bernie is focused on the future of America, on improving our environment so that our great-grandchildren will enjoy it, on caring for our needs and not just our momentary wants.)

Will America choose Bernie? Yes. Because he is honest about his views and does not hide his dreams. Americans are so sick of the pragmatic bores that are running in this election. The popularity of Trump of all people among Republicans and the growing popularity of Bernie on our side proves this.

We Democrats are looking for a leader who will give us hope. Bernie does that. Hillary does not. It is Hillary who will never win the Independent or Republican voters. She has no dream. She has no vision. She sounds as boring as she apparently thinks.

A lot of people who will vote for Bernie will just stay home if Hillary is the candidate.

I for one will vote for all the Democrats on my ballot except Hillary. To me, I might as well vote for a Republican as vote for Hillary. She is the one who will get nothing done. She projects as arrogant and uncaring. She will not get my vote.

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Please stop with the "free stuff". Nothing is free, and Bernie has a way to pay for emulatorloo Jan 2016 #1
There quite a few Mitt Romney's on this site lately. JRLeft Jan 2016 #3
No kidding! emulatorloo Jan 2016 #4
Expected, due to the corporate democrats on this site. JRLeft Jan 2016 #6
I'm not a corporate democrat. I just happen to have a degree in Accounting and understand how politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #22
Really catnhatnh Jan 2016 #33
Exactly, one thing we need to do reduce the war budget. JRLeft Jan 2016 #36
military enid602 Jan 2016 #128
I believe the entire party should advocate massive cuts in the war budget. JRLeft Jan 2016 #129
Perhaps you're the one who needs to realize that one of our Chief Bankers, the Chinese politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #41
I just happen to have four degrees-- pangaia Jan 2016 #85
The maybe you'll acknowledge that we've been removing our revenjue sources needlessly.... Armstead Jan 2016 #94
Which is so obvious and for which, predictably, you'll not get an answer Matariki Jan 2016 #112
what a mournful OP. I am astonished over and over that there are roguevalley Jan 2016 #66
Hmm. blue neen Jan 2016 #144
Yes taxes. So, where is his tax plan? leftofcool Jan 2016 #5
Gonna watch Sunday's debate, hope you will too emulatorloo Jan 2016 #8
I never miss! leftofcool Jan 2016 #13
Me too! emulatorloo Jan 2016 #17
It is the people's money. Amazing how there is always money for corporate welfare. Skwmom Jan 2016 #76
As of today he has only thrown out crumbs as to how he would pay for his health "plan" riversedge Jan 2016 #123
+1, other than you want have to pay preimiums which doesn't explain how Sanders plan will pay for... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #133
This is false on its face uponit7771 Jan 2016 #132
freebies, 96% white. socialist,, excuse me 'self-proclaimed socialist,' pangaia Jan 2016 #2
I love you, pangaia. It's impossible isn't it, this op. roguevalley Jan 2016 #67
I'm speechless.... pangaia Jan 2016 #84
Sanders has not been tested, Hillary has been. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #7
He Can't Get Them Through Congress - Right scottie55 Jan 2016 #15
How? How will he get his ideas through gop house and a gop filibuster? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #16
I Turned The Answer Into A Post Before You Asked scottie55 Jan 2016 #25
The gop congress will not go along. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #26
He won't have to, if he brings big enough coattails to the party. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #28
Sorry but that is not realistic. Sanders can not switch the house and the gop hrmjustin Jan 2016 #32
'realistic' is settling for tenth place because the idea of change only belongs to the roguevalley Jan 2016 #68
Sorry but I don't think Sanders can do it. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #71
Hooray For The Status Quo And Lobbyist And Corporate Rule scottie55 Jan 2016 #100
Then explain how he gets things done. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #101
With Millions Of Us scottie55 Jan 2016 #104
Your "millions" are 5% to 10% of the population at best CajunBlazer Jan 2016 #143
Yes, I guess you have been asleep for a long time. There is no way the Dems retake the House politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #35
Gerrymandering CAN be defeated. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #43
Even if you got a Democratic congress what makes you think you can get it through? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #47
You are exactly correct Samantha Jan 2016 #52
Bernie has never had coat tails, does not know how to party build Sheepshank Jan 2016 #117
He didn't raise one dime for the party. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #122
Like Obama Compromised? scottie55 Jan 2016 #29
It may make you feel better to repeat that but it does not answer my question. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #34
By Having Millions Of Us scottie55 Jan 2016 #50
I can call my gop congressman every name in the book and he still won't vote for hrmjustin Jan 2016 #53
according to you. Your vision is down. Ours is up. We know what we have to do roguevalley Jan 2016 #69
I know my congressman and I know what he will and won't do. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #73
Well, then I guess you ain't doing it right. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #87
That is a ridiculous answer. My congressman is in no danger of losing his seat. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #93
They way you've participated in this thread is absolutely ridiculous, naysaying every worthwhile Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #96
Sorry if I am raining on your parade but I don't buy the narrative Sanders supporters here hrmjustin Jan 2016 #97
We Will Do To The Republicans scottie55 Jan 2016 #105
Do you mean protesting at their offices? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #106
Why aren't you doing it now? Empowerer Jan 2016 #108
I Probably Have Made 300 Phone Calls scottie55 Jan 2016 #109
You're trying to convince a charter member of... 99Forever Jan 2016 #54
You seem nice. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #59
it fits. roguevalley Jan 2016 #70
Oh it doesn't bother me what you guys think of me. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #74
Oh it doesn't bother us what you think of us. TheFarS1de Jan 2016 #131
Some people are still fairly comfortable in this society. Why rock the boat? - Hiraeth Jan 2016 #130
Kind of a nice way of saying: 99Forever Jan 2016 #138
well, we ARE nicer than they are, right Hiraeth Jan 2016 #139
The Revoluuuushun is upon us!(insert waving arms) redstateblues Jan 2016 #99
" Sanders has not been tested, Hillary has been." pangaia Jan 2016 #90
I am not voting for him in the primary. Never going to happen. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #95
And found wanting. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #121
Yes, Hillary has been tested for decades, here and abroad and has learned along the way. I trust her riversedge Jan 2016 #124
I trust her as well. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #125
I am with you, tested and vetted, she is still strong and qualified. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #126
"The nation is broke" scottie55 Jan 2016 #9
"We're not broke, we're stupid." Triana Jan 2016 #24
There is NO MONEY for Freebies sounds just like any republican in Congress Autumn Jan 2016 #10
Yes winterwar Jan 2016 #78
I think we can do a lot of what Sanders is talking about, with someone who knows Hoyt Jan 2016 #11
actually when the economy is in he toilet questionseverything Jan 2016 #27
But as we saw with the last one GOPERS use being in toilet as a reason to deny safety net, Hoyt Jan 2016 #79
i refuse to make my decisions based on what the gop might do questionseverything Jan 2016 #114
And I want to avoid another George McGovern or Dukakis landslide loss with so much at stake. Hoyt Jan 2016 #115
Whew! ... Good thing you are here! Trajan Jan 2016 #12
Hey Everybody... Check Out The Recs... WillyT Jan 2016 #14
I didn't know you could rec your own topic, I will have to try that sometime hollysmom Jan 2016 #18
Ok. Took your advice. blue neen Jan 2016 #142
The claim that our nation is broke is a right-wing lie Bjorn Against Jan 2016 #19
You could not be MORE WRONG FreakinDJ Jan 2016 #20
The nation is NOT "broke" Triana Jan 2016 #21
howany times can "socialist" appear in a post tishaLA Jan 2016 #23
polictical junk........oh... sorry...junkie... bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #30
Republicans HATE the Clinton with the intensity of ten thousand white hot Suns onecaliberal Jan 2016 #31
And hate Obama with the same number of super novas, so what ... republicans hate.. that's what they uponit7771 Jan 2016 #134
Bernie's not really a socialist. That blows your argument, doesn't it? immoderate Jan 2016 #37
It may surprise you that I actually know what a socialist is. It was Bernie who brandished himself politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #45
you seem to think socialism is a problem. My grandpa was a socialist. he was as great a man roguevalley Jan 2016 #72
It's not really a problem. Not for nobody. Only a labeling problem. immoderate Jan 2016 #86
You mean 'branded himself'. Brandished is the past tense of 'brandish' a verb meaning to wave or Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #120
YOU Needed To Watch Thom Hartmann Tonight! ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #38
Just because I'm a realist about what we can and cannot achieve at this time politically politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #48
"at this time".....it's NEVER the correct timer according to conservaDems Armstead Jan 2016 #98
You are, pardon the expression, right on the money Samantha Jan 2016 #57
Well that settles it. edgineered Jan 2016 #39
Our taxes go to pay for useless wars and to subsidize giant corporations. Arugula Latte Jan 2016 #40
Vermont is giving up on single payer as it costs too much: Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #42
No, you can thank the Governor for weaseling out of the Single Payer plan. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #46
I am really getting tired of people who prefer dead people Kalidurga Jan 2016 #44
Yeah, we're broke HassleCat Jan 2016 #49
The greatest hits compilation of stale talking points! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #51
Regarding the senate, a 10 seat swing is required for nominal control, cheapdate Jan 2016 #55
It is the belief of many political pundits that the Dems have a chance at the Senate in 2016 politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #62
That might be true, for nominal control, which is something. cheapdate Jan 2016 #63
Unless we finally reform the senate rules. Kentonio Jan 2016 #110
Thank you!! People are expecting an FDR president without and FDR congress uponit7771 Jan 2016 #135
FDR had a good run, with a unified congress for something like 16 consecutive years. cheapdate Jan 2016 #137
Democratic Socialist is what it's called, call it what it is. Stop the B/S, and RIGHT WING scare!! juxtaposed Jan 2016 #56
What about all the polls showing that Bernie has crossover support amongst Republicans? Maedhros Jan 2016 #58
I submit the following... Ino Jan 2016 #60
This! ^^^^ ebayfool Jan 2016 #65
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+1 Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #103
Posted to for later. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #64
You are clueless. I live in a swing state and I know Republicans and Independents voting for Bernie Skwmom Jan 2016 #75
Ever More Fear, Uncertainty And Doubt - FUD cantbeserious Jan 2016 #77
Not a Sanders fan? mikehiggins Jan 2016 #80
What in the world did the Clintons achieve? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #81
AND GET OFF MY LAWN! Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #82
"freebees", "government giveaways", "entitlement programs" Matariki Jan 2016 #83
Never seen anything quite like this. They've cast off all pretense. They own the Republican lexicon. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #107
You sound like a Republican Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #88
Or someone who's not taken in so easily with unicorn promises without a unicorn congress? uponit7771 Jan 2016 #136
Its sad Dretownblues Jan 2016 #89
-300,000,000 mhatrw Jan 2016 #91
LIS, aka let it sink. nt slipslidingaway Jan 2016 #92
only a conservative would descirbe Healthcare, and education Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #102
For a self described political junkie madokie Jan 2016 #111
This is the second time within minutes I saw this Right Wing meme re Dems wanting 'free stuff' sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #113
Please direct me to current Social Safety Net for free college tuition that Bernie is trying to politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #140
Doom..doom..doom. Cassandra much? Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #116
I personally know someone who hates Trump and HRC TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #118
Your word choices make it easy for me to believe you know how Republicans think. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #119
Believe what you want. Someone in the Democratic Party has to talk like they have some fiscal politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2016 #141
I think you insult the intelligence of a lot of people, whether they be disenfranchised or not. Hiraeth Jan 2016 #127
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