2016 Postmortem

Hortensis

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47. I'd like to hope so. It might work the opposite.

Sun Jan 17, 2016, 01:47 PM

Jan 2016

Voters like to "balance" their representation. If left on president, then right on Congress. And vice versa.

There's every reason to believe that a nation choosing a president well to the left of mainstream might at the same time choose to ADD Republicans to Congress. This holds ESPECIALLY for those independents who might nervously vote left for a Bernie not out of conviction but because they saw the GOP presidential candidate as even less acceptable. A full third of the electorate now identifies as "independent."

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From what I've seen on this site some Hillary supporters, seem [View all] JRLeft Jan 2016 OP

I am realistic and I don't see Sanders as presidential. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #1

And if enough people buy into that what do we get? daleanime Jan 2016 #2

Then how does Sanders get the things he want? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #9

People power, nothing is easy. You have to try. JRLeft Jan 2016 #10

The gop won't bend to people power. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #11

Yes they will. They are very susceptible to public opinion. Its just doesn't get to them. FOX &CO. The Wielding Truth Jan 2016 #126

Both Cruz and Trump are already bending to populist Republican pressure on H-1B Visas... cascadiance Jan 2016 #156

You are completely misinterpreting our steady confidence Hortensis Jan 2016 #43

yes enid602 Jan 2016 #45

The image of Judge Judy sucking up to Hortensis Jan 2016 #46

Don't forget, his sister is a Federal judge and he's gone on record as saying she would be..... George II Jan 2016 #50

Trump's sister if a fairly liberal judge Gothmog Jan 2016 #100

".. rackety, intolerant, too-extreme candidate.." pangaia Jan 2016 #67

Rackety was the wrong word. He's made some Hortensis Jan 2016 #121

May I suggest you do some research into Bernie Sander's life. pangaia Jan 2016 #128

Look, the GOP is PRAYING Bernie takes Hillary out. Hortensis Jan 2016 #134

. Look, the GOP is PRAYING Bernie takes Hillary out. pangaia Jan 2016 #136

What do you mean by "rackety"? JDPriestly Jan 2016 #106

JDPriestly Aerows Jan 2016 #113

So, basically I gather you feel the nation's in the toilet Hortensis Jan 2016 #123

THANK YOU!! pangaia Jan 2016 #130

Really? 5,166 posts, including this one... :) Hortensis Jan 2016 #135

Really. pangaia Jan 2016 #137

:) Hortensis Jan 2016 #162

In my case it is probably mostly laziness. pangaia Jan 2016 #163

Since Democrats want a candidate who shares their ideology Kall Jan 2016 #112

We elect Bernie and put more Democrats in congress.... daleanime Jan 2016 #12

Then why did Sanders fail to raise money for the party? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #13

Money over voters? daleanime Jan 2016 #14

This is where you guys lose me. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #15

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #19

Follow your own advice. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #20

You didn't read or comprehend a thing I typed madokie Jan 2016 #22

Yes I did and responded. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #24

Let me fix that for you: 99Forever Jan 2016 #25

Don't get your hopes up. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #27

This message was self-deleted by its author 99Forever Jan 2016 #29

"Don't get your hopes up" LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #88

We used to donate to the Party. We stopped because we are not happy with the way the JDPriestly Jan 2016 #111

Excuse me, where in anything that I've written... daleanime Jan 2016 #28

+1 stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #51

You have a habit of saying goodbye Cartoonist Jan 2016 #74

Good bye! hrmjustin Jan 2016 #75

Unfortunately often a sign.... daleanime Jan 2016 #116

We go back awhile Cartoonist Jan 2016 #120

The down ballot races are very important Gothmog Jan 2016 #101

Having more democratic voters turn out.... daleanime Jan 2016 #114

Sanders is very very vulnerable to negative ads Gothmog Jan 2016 #124

Who would never have voted for a Democrat anyways..... daleanime Jan 2016 #139

Wrong. Socialism is viewed highly negatively by independents as Gallups polls on the stevenleser Jan 2016 #149

Relax, if you're right.... daleanime Jan 2016 #153

No, that's not what that means. stevenleser Jan 2016 #157

You know we never see the republican party doing this.... daleanime Jan 2016 #161

Here is why we can not risk 2016 on a candidate who can not win in general Gothmog Jan 2016 #150

If she was as good of a candidate as you think she wouldn't be a candidate.... daleanime Jan 2016 #154

Sanders is no Barack Obama Gothmog Jan 2016 #158

Did I say he was? daleanime Jan 2016 #159

Sanders will not be the nominee unless he is able to broaden his appeal beyond a very narrow group Gothmog Jan 2016 #164

Let the party raise its own money. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #108

I'd like to hope so. It might work the opposite. Hortensis Jan 2016 #47

You think your views are mainstream? Mine are. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #56

A President who has had zero ties to the Democratic Party until a few months ago.... George II Jan 2016 #52

Who is helped.... daleanime Jan 2016 #55

Zero ties? SheilaT Jan 2016 #69

You should review some of his votes as a Representative and a Senator. And "ties" go deeper.... George II Jan 2016 #76

Have you reviewed some of Hillary's votes? SheilaT Jan 2016 #90

And if those candidates don't meet your exacting specifications? brooklynite Jan 2016 #53

Isn't the question.... daleanime Jan 2016 #60

Actually I'd be happy to elect Sanders...if I thought he could get elected. brooklynite Jan 2016 #84

And will refuse to... daleanime Jan 2016 #97

I'm right there with you. JRLeft Jan 2016 #99

"The games"... brooklynite Jan 2016 #110

Sorry, the only time I watch those games.... daleanime Jan 2016 #115

translation: Hillary will be more effective than Obama, because Rs will work with her WhaTHellsgoingonhere Jan 2016 #31

How did FDR get it? He investigated what was going on on Wall Street and prosecuted and JDPriestly Jan 2016 #57

You had me at hello! Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #63

^ This. AzDar Jan 2016 #64

Brilliant! rynestonecowboy Jan 2016 #79

Sanders has already gotten a major thing he wants DFW Jan 2016 #119

By getting folks to help him by electing a Senate and House who can Jarqui Jan 2016 #127

Then why did Sanders fail to raise money for the party? hrmjustin Jan 2016 #131

I really don't think one has a lot to do with the other at this particular moment in time. Jarqui Jan 2016 #141

I do and he has no excuse for it. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #142

Why should Bernie give to an organization that is controlled by the Clinton campaign Jarqui Jan 2016 #144

This is why i don't trust him. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #145

In other words, you want Sanders to be dumb as a rock by raising money for a politically corrupt Jarqui Jan 2016 #146

And my point still stands. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #147

There's nothing left of your point Jarqui Jan 2016 #148

All you said is we can't so why try. JRLeft Jan 2016 #3

No, he said Sanders can't. Metric System Jan 2016 #4

Hillary is promising more of the same but some how things are supposed to improve? JRLeft Jan 2016 #6

Exaclty. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #8

If Sanders can't then we can't. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #68

"Presidential" earthside Jan 2016 #17

Conservative? No. It is someone who leads and gets things done. tinrobot Jan 2016 #72

gets things done questionseverything Jan 2016 #96

You nailed it there n/t Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #81

Why not? pangaia Jan 2016 #58

That i can see a person in the oval office. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #61

That's still the rap I hear on Pres. Obama ... earthside Jan 2016 #82

Well i never said that about him and I do say this about Sanders. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #83

I am realistic and I don't see Clinton as electable. JackRiddler Jan 2016 #71

Fortunately you are part of a growing minority. What those in power diid rather than being satisfied sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #98

I agree. Bernie is not presidential. But more importantly underthematrix Jan 2016 #129

It's a strange kind of defeatism to give up on the Democratic party... randome Jan 2016 #5

The only way to she's moves to the left is to stop taking corporate cash. JRLeft Jan 2016 #7

I'm with you JR madokie Jan 2016 #21

Thank you, I cannot see how one can take corporate cash without being corrupted. It just JRLeft Jan 2016 #62

.... handmade34 Jan 2016 #36

Very fearful, too imo. nt artislife Jan 2016 #16

Yup, fear of 3 more Scalia-types on the Supreme Court. oasis Jan 2016 #35

I don't think Bernie would suggest 3 Scalia types for the Supreme Court. Next. nt artislife Jan 2016 #38

You know what I'm talking about. oasis Jan 2016 #42

Moderate = Defeatist AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #18

"These are good people and I respect their opinion" PowerToThePeople Jan 2016 #23

+1000000 SwampG8r Jan 2016 #39

Yes. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #59

It's not defeatism. It's just Sanders. Bleacher Creature Jan 2016 #26

We know it won't happen overnight, the status quo is regression not progress. JRLeft Jan 2016 #33

Wow - a thoughtful post about the process Empowerer Jan 2016 #48

Thanks for the dose of reality redstateblues Jan 2016 #133

Considering only 10% of people here as Clinton supporters going by DU polls... Blue_Adept Jan 2016 #30

And then... DUbeornot2be Jan 2016 #94

Rejecting a candidate who has notions of pie in the sky, is not "defeatism". oasis Jan 2016 #32

You support a candidate who bows down to Wall Street and other corporate powers. JRLeft Jan 2016 #34

True, Hill's no sworn enemy of Wall Street. That's a plus. oasis Jan 2016 #40

What did they do when she told them to azmom Jan 2016 #73

(1) Senator (2) President. Pick the one with the most influence. oasis Jan 2016 #87

I'm sure she will Kall Jan 2016 #78

I'm sure Bernie would have their ear. oasis Jan 2016 #89

He'll have them by the scruff of their necks. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #91

He doesn't want their ear Kall Jan 2016 #102

I'm sure they're breathing easier now. oasis Jan 2016 #105

They will be Kall Jan 2016 #109

The American people will "elect Hillary" oasis Jan 2016 #117

You're deflecting. Of course the country, not just you personally, might elect her Kall Jan 2016 #118

Deflect backward to post#87. If you please. oasis Jan 2016 #132

That's nice, dear. Squinch Jan 2016 #37

"I believe you have to fight, nothing is easy..." handmade34 Jan 2016 #41

People will vote for someone else or stay home if she's the nominee. JRLeft Jan 2016 #104

Or, I just think Hillary would make the better President nt firebrand80 Jan 2016 #44

She won't be corrupted by the corporate cash? JRLeft Jan 2016 #70

Things aren't so black and white nt firebrand80 Jan 2016 #86

She's bought and paid for, and that is as transparent as JRLeft Jan 2016 #140

Uh no. I think Hillary will make a better president. leftofcool Jan 2016 #49

If they were defeatist they would not support Clinton the way they do JI7 Jan 2016 #54

Nope, I just prefer Hillary, and think she will make an excellent president nt kjones Jan 2016 #65

What some think, and what some argue, might not be the same Babel_17 Jan 2016 #66

Some Bernie supporters seem to think they are mindreders. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #77

What? Is this some subtle McCarthyist crap? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #92

Good post but I don't agree with the last paragraph Populist_Prole Jan 2016 #80

I think you are spot on. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #93

Nail on the head Android3.14 Jan 2016 #85

i think bernie has a good chance if his supporters would not certainot Jan 2016 #95

I like living in the real world Gothmog Jan 2016 #103

You're saying vote for the corporate candidate who's not as bad as the JRLeft Jan 2016 #107

I am not willing to let the GOP control the direction of the SCOTUS with a candidate who cannot win Gothmog Jan 2016 #125

Understanding how gerrymandered congress's works does not mean people are defeatist just factual uponit7771 Jan 2016 #122

They realize that in the ge between Bernie and a republican, the republican will be much closer in Doctor_J Jan 2016 #138

For once you won't have to choose between the better of 2 evils. JRLeft Jan 2016 #143

I support Bernie because I feel the same way you do. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #151

No no no no no no no no tazkcmo Jan 2016 #152

The alternative is to claim it's either her or Republicans win. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #155

I do not find Tea Party legislation to "audit the fed" to be a "good idea." Neither does Krugman. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #160