So, basically I gather you feel the nation's in the toilet (Reply #123)

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Sun Jan 17, 2016, 07:29 PM

Hortensis (55,593 posts)

123. So, basically I gather you feel the nation's in the toilet

and Democrats have completely failed to make any significant progress at all, Obama's two administrations being mostly a long list of failures, but the positive (?!) thinking of Bernie supporters is going to change this all. Once you finish getting the rest of the left out of your way and go win a couple of elections. Gotcha.

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From what I've seen on this site some Hillary supporters, seem [View all]	JRLeft	Jan 2016	OP
I am realistic and I don't see Sanders as presidential.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#1
And if enough people buy into that what do we get?	daleanime	Jan 2016	#2
Then how does Sanders get the things he want?	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#9
People power, nothing is easy. You have to try.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#10
The gop won't bend to people power.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#11
Yes they will. They are very susceptible to public opinion. Its just doesn't get to them. FOX &CO.	The Wielding Truth	Jan 2016	#126
Both Cruz and Trump are already bending to populist Republican pressure on H-1B Visas...	cascadiance	Jan 2016	#156
You are completely misinterpreting our steady confidence	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#43
yes	enid602	Jan 2016	#45
The image of Judge Judy sucking up to	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#46
Don't forget, his sister is a Federal judge and he's gone on record as saying she would be.....	George II	Jan 2016	#50
Trump's sister if a fairly liberal judge	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#100
".. rackety, intolerant, too-extreme candidate.."	pangaia	Jan 2016	#67
Rackety was the wrong word. He's made some	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#121
May I suggest you do some research into Bernie Sander's life.	pangaia	Jan 2016	#128
Look, the GOP is PRAYING Bernie takes Hillary out.	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#134
. Look, the GOP is PRAYING Bernie takes Hillary out.	pangaia	Jan 2016	#136
What do you mean by "rackety"?	JDPriestly	Jan 2016	#106
JDPriestly	Aerows	Jan 2016	#113
So, basically I gather you feel the nation's in the toilet	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#123
THANK YOU!!	pangaia	Jan 2016	#130
Really? 5,166 posts, including this one... :)	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#135
Really.	pangaia	Jan 2016	#137
:)	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#162
In my case it is probably mostly laziness.	pangaia	Jan 2016	#163
Since Democrats want a candidate who shares their ideology	Kall	Jan 2016	#112
We elect Bernie and put more Democrats in congress....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#12
Then why did Sanders fail to raise money for the party?	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#13
Money over voters?	daleanime	Jan 2016	#14
This is where you guys lose me.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#15
Post removed	Post removed	Jan 2016	#19
Follow your own advice.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#20
You didn't read or comprehend a thing I typed	madokie	Jan 2016	#22
Yes I did and responded.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#24
Let me fix that for you:	99Forever	Jan 2016	#25
Don't get your hopes up.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#27
This message was self-deleted by its author	99Forever	Jan 2016	#29
"Don't get your hopes up"	LiberalLovinLug	Jan 2016	#88
We used to donate to the Party. We stopped because we are not happy with the way the	JDPriestly	Jan 2016	#111
Excuse me, where in anything that I've written...	daleanime	Jan 2016	#28
+1	stonecutter357	Jan 2016	#51
You have a habit of saying goodbye	Cartoonist	Jan 2016	#74
Good bye!	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#75
Unfortunately often a sign....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#116
We go back awhile	Cartoonist	Jan 2016	#120
The down ballot races are very important	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#101
Having more democratic voters turn out....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#114
Sanders is very very vulnerable to negative ads	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#124
Who would never have voted for a Democrat anyways.....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#139
Wrong. Socialism is viewed highly negatively by independents as Gallups polls on the	stevenleser	Jan 2016	#149
Relax, if you're right....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#153
No, that's not what that means.	stevenleser	Jan 2016	#157
You know we never see the republican party doing this....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#161
Here is why we can not risk 2016 on a candidate who can not win in general	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#150
If she was as good of a candidate as you think she wouldn't be a candidate....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#154
Sanders is no Barack Obama	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#158
Did I say he was?	daleanime	Jan 2016	#159
Sanders will not be the nominee unless he is able to broaden his appeal beyond a very narrow group	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#164
Let the party raise its own money.	JDPriestly	Jan 2016	#108
I'd like to hope so. It might work the opposite.	Hortensis	Jan 2016	#47
You think your views are mainstream? Mine are.	Ed Suspicious	Jan 2016	#56
A President who has had zero ties to the Democratic Party until a few months ago....	George II	Jan 2016	#52
Who is helped....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#55
Zero ties?	SheilaT	Jan 2016	#69
You should review some of his votes as a Representative and a Senator. And "ties" go deeper....	George II	Jan 2016	#76
Have you reviewed some of Hillary's votes?	SheilaT	Jan 2016	#90
And if those candidates don't meet your exacting specifications?	brooklynite	Jan 2016	#53
Isn't the question....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#60
Actually I'd be happy to elect Sanders...if I thought he could get elected.	brooklynite	Jan 2016	#84
And will refuse to...	daleanime	Jan 2016	#97
I'm right there with you.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#99
"The games"...	brooklynite	Jan 2016	#110
Sorry, the only time I watch those games....	daleanime	Jan 2016	#115
translation: Hillary will be more effective than Obama, because Rs will work with her	WhaTHellsgoingonhere	Jan 2016	#31
How did FDR get it? He investigated what was going on on Wall Street and prosecuted and	JDPriestly	Jan 2016	#57
You had me at hello!	Ed Suspicious	Jan 2016	#63
^ This.	AzDar	Jan 2016	#64
Brilliant!	rynestonecowboy	Jan 2016	#79
Sanders has already gotten a major thing he wants	DFW	Jan 2016	#119
By getting folks to help him by electing a Senate and House who can	Jarqui	Jan 2016	#127
Then why did Sanders fail to raise money for the party?	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#131
I really don't think one has a lot to do with the other at this particular moment in time.	Jarqui	Jan 2016	#141
I do and he has no excuse for it.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#142
Why should Bernie give to an organization that is controlled by the Clinton campaign	Jarqui	Jan 2016	#144
This is why i don't trust him.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#145
In other words, you want Sanders to be dumb as a rock by raising money for a politically corrupt	Jarqui	Jan 2016	#146
And my point still stands.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#147
There's nothing left of your point	Jarqui	Jan 2016	#148
All you said is we can't so why try.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#3
No, he said Sanders can't.	Metric System	Jan 2016	#4
Hillary is promising more of the same but some how things are supposed to improve?	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#6
Exaclty.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#8
If Sanders can't then we can't.	Ed Suspicious	Jan 2016	#68
"Presidential"	earthside	Jan 2016	#17
Conservative? No. It is someone who leads and gets things done.	tinrobot	Jan 2016	#72
gets things done	questionseverything	Jan 2016	#96
You nailed it there n/t	Populist_Prole	Jan 2016	#81
Why not?	pangaia	Jan 2016	#58
That i can see a person in the oval office.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#61
That's still the rap I hear on Pres. Obama ...	earthside	Jan 2016	#82
Well i never said that about him and I do say this about Sanders.	hrmjustin	Jan 2016	#83
I am realistic and I don't see Clinton as electable.	JackRiddler	Jan 2016	#71
Fortunately you are part of a growing minority. What those in power diid rather than being satisfied	sabrina 1	Jan 2016	#98
I agree. Bernie is not presidential. But more importantly	underthematrix	Jan 2016	#129
It's a strange kind of defeatism to give up on the Democratic party...	randome	Jan 2016	#5
The only way to she's moves to the left is to stop taking corporate cash.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#7
I'm with you JR	madokie	Jan 2016	#21
Thank you, I cannot see how one can take corporate cash without being corrupted. It just	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#62
....	handmade34	Jan 2016	#36
Very fearful, too imo. nt	artislife	Jan 2016	#16
Yup, fear of 3 more Scalia-types on the Supreme Court.	oasis	Jan 2016	#35
I don't think Bernie would suggest 3 Scalia types for the Supreme Court. Next. nt	artislife	Jan 2016	#38
You know what I'm talking about.	oasis	Jan 2016	#42
Moderate = Defeatist	AgingAmerican	Jan 2016	#18
"These are good people and I respect their opinion"	PowerToThePeople	Jan 2016	#23
+1000000	SwampG8r	Jan 2016	#39
Yes.	Ed Suspicious	Jan 2016	#59
It's not defeatism. It's just Sanders.	Bleacher Creature	Jan 2016	#26
We know it won't happen overnight, the status quo is regression not progress.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#33
Wow - a thoughtful post about the process	Empowerer	Jan 2016	#48
Thanks for the dose of reality	redstateblues	Jan 2016	#133
Considering only 10% of people here as Clinton supporters going by DU polls...	Blue_Adept	Jan 2016	#30
And then...	DUbeornot2be	Jan 2016	#94
Rejecting a candidate who has notions of pie in the sky, is not "defeatism".	oasis	Jan 2016	#32
You support a candidate who bows down to Wall Street and other corporate powers.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#34
True, Hill's no sworn enemy of Wall Street. That's a plus.	oasis	Jan 2016	#40
What did they do when she told them to	azmom	Jan 2016	#73
(1) Senator (2) President. Pick the one with the most influence.	oasis	Jan 2016	#87
I'm sure she will	Kall	Jan 2016	#78
I'm sure Bernie would have their ear.	oasis	Jan 2016	#89
He'll have them by the scruff of their necks.	Ed Suspicious	Jan 2016	#91
He doesn't want their ear	Kall	Jan 2016	#102
I'm sure they're breathing easier now.	oasis	Jan 2016	#105
They will be	Kall	Jan 2016	#109
The American people will "elect Hillary"	oasis	Jan 2016	#117
You're deflecting. Of course the country, not just you personally, might elect her	Kall	Jan 2016	#118
Deflect backward to post#87. If you please.	oasis	Jan 2016	#132
That's nice, dear.	Squinch	Jan 2016	#37
"I believe you have to fight, nothing is easy..."	handmade34	Jan 2016	#41
People will vote for someone else or stay home if she's the nominee.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#104
Or, I just think Hillary would make the better President nt	firebrand80	Jan 2016	#44
She won't be corrupted by the corporate cash?	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#70
Things aren't so black and white nt	firebrand80	Jan 2016	#86
She's bought and paid for, and that is as transparent as	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#140
Uh no. I think Hillary will make a better president.	leftofcool	Jan 2016	#49
If they were defeatist they would not support Clinton the way they do	JI7	Jan 2016	#54
Nope, I just prefer Hillary, and think she will make an excellent president nt	kjones	Jan 2016	#65
What some think, and what some argue, might not be the same	Babel_17	Jan 2016	#66
Some Bernie supporters seem to think they are mindreders.	JoePhilly	Jan 2016	#77
What? Is this some subtle McCarthyist crap?	Ed Suspicious	Jan 2016	#92
Good post but I don't agree with the last paragraph	Populist_Prole	Jan 2016	#80
I think you are spot on.	Ed Suspicious	Jan 2016	#93
Nail on the head	Android3.14	Jan 2016	#85
i think bernie has a good chance if his supporters would not	certainot	Jan 2016	#95
I like living in the real world	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#103
You're saying vote for the corporate candidate who's not as bad as the	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#107
I am not willing to let the GOP control the direction of the SCOTUS with a candidate who cannot win	Gothmog	Jan 2016	#125
Understanding how gerrymandered congress's works does not mean people are defeatist just factual	uponit7771	Jan 2016	#122
They realize that in the ge between Bernie and a republican, the republican will be much closer in	Doctor_J	Jan 2016	#138
For once you won't have to choose between the better of 2 evils.	JRLeft	Jan 2016	#143
I support Bernie because I feel the same way you do.	PatrickforO	Jan 2016	#151
No no no no no no no no	tazkcmo	Jan 2016	#152
The alternative is to claim it's either her or Republicans win.	Spitfire of ATJ	Jan 2016	#155
I do not find Tea Party legislation to "audit the fed" to be a "good idea." Neither does Krugman.	NCTraveler	Jan 2016	#160

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