2016 Postmortem

Armstead

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12. I'm sure Clinton would have actively opposed it if she were in Congress (not)

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:50 AM

Jan 2016

That whole bill was a massive clusterfuck. Sanders was merely one member of an entire Congress that got rolled in a massively complicated shell game by Phil Gramm and the banksters - and it occurred at a time when everyone was more concerned with the Bush v Gore aftermath.

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Clinton charged that Sanders' vote to deregulate financial markets contributed to the recession [View all] bigtree Jan 2016 OP

I had no idea he voted yes on that. Incredible. Gman Jan 2016 #1

Like he ever had credibility with you Armstead Jan 2016 #8

Sounds like more excuses for Sabders Gman Jan 2016 #24

Yeah real silent Armstead Jan 2016 #25

So why didn't he speak up in front of millions of viewers Gman Jan 2016 #35

You have no clue about Sanders Armstead Jan 2016 #37

That's not an answer Gman Jan 2016 #40

What's his problem? He made a strong statement on the issue, and it was a day brfore the debate Armstead Jan 2016 #48

This is an interesting exchange between you and Gman. Cali_Democrat Jan 2016 #68

Good point, perhaps you or Gman could tell us or link us to what Hillary had to say and A Simple Game Jan 2016 #97

I greatly admire Sanders Gman Jan 2016 #70

No sir. Moving the goalposts is not permitted. You stated that Sanders ignored Flint. You're WRONG. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #81

Did I miss Sanders making a big point about Flint in the debate? Gman Jan 2016 #91

That's not what you said, and you're not permitted to worm your way out of this. DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #94

Nice try. retrowire Jan 2016 #95

Really? dpatbrown Jan 2016 #34

Huh? Gman Jan 2016 #36

He was not silent on Flint. dpatbrown Jan 2016 #41

He wasn't silent, this is a complete misrepresentation. Agschmid Jan 2016 #42

Did you watch the debate? Babel_17 Jan 2016 #73

Exactly about the circumstances. pangaia Jan 2016 #28

See Reply 14. The research done on this was sloppy and wrong. merrily Jan 2016 #44

How did he vote on reconciliation? Gman Jan 2016 #98

If it doesn't matter, why did you ask? Tell 2008 mortgage derivatives were a side issue. merrily Jan 2016 #99

Ummm.... Bill's not running. Sanders is Gman Jan 2016 #100

So is Hillary--and she (a) embraced her husband's record in 2008 and (b) was less than honest about merrily Jan 2016 #101

FYI. the First Lady cannot enact legislation Gman Jan 2016 #102

Straw man. FYI anyone can approve of legislation, including someone who ran for President in 2008 merrily Jan 2016 #103

Straw man? Do you know what a straw man is? Gman Jan 2016 #104

Straw man "refuting" a point that no one tried to make. I said nothing about Hillary legislating or merrily Jan 2016 #105

"I'm done here" dpatbrown Jan 2016 #109

He supported a democratic administration led by her husband and she blames Sanders. CBGLuthier Jan 2016 #2

Sanders was a part of this bill in voting yea, Sanders shares the shame. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #5

Infinetly much less than Bill and the banksters who ran his administration Armstead Jan 2016 #39

Let's see, first congress passes a bill and sends it to the president, yes Sanders is just as much Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #110

This message was self-deleted by its author dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #69

Of course nothing is ever his fault dsc Jan 2016 #7

See Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #80

SENATOR Sanders is a U.S. Senator, Hortensis Jan 2016 #9

So he also supported the repeal of Glass-Stegall Gman Jan 2016 #26

It's worse than that on the part of Hillary. Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #45

Bernie's vote was a mistake. Sancho Jan 2016 #3

Doing a favor for a corporation? Armstead Jan 2016 #10

The Dodd Frank that John Stewart called total B.S. Skwmom Jan 2016 #19

No, the one Warren approved. Sancho Jan 2016 #23

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #46

The deregulation of derivatives becomes important OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #4

Glass-Steagall was repealed in 1999, this repeal in 2000. Hortensis Jan 2016 #13

On its face, it appears so. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #54

Well, let's agree that Bernie's final vote to deregulate, Hortensis Jan 2016 #61

Sounds good. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #71

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #79

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #47

Nuance is important. OnyxCollie Jan 2016 #59

Thanks for this post, bookmarking. Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #6

Then, you should be sure to bookmark Reply 14 as well. merrily Jan 2016 #49

This message was self-deleted by its author Downwinder Jan 2016 #11

I'm sure Clinton would have actively opposed it if she were in Congress (not) Armstead Jan 2016 #12

Senator Sanders as a clueless buffoon Hortensis Jan 2016 #15

Hardly Armstead Jan 2016 #16

Well, that's likely. Hortensis Jan 2016 #55

I was watching him then, and he was one of the few voices of sanity during that whole debacle Armstead Jan 2016 #67

Armstead, I was a voice of sanity back then. So what? Hortensis Jan 2016 #112

No, we collectively were NOT paying attention Armstead Jan 2016 #115

You weren't? I was, decade after decade. Hortensis Jan 2016 #116

I meant the collective "we"...I wish I hadn't paid attention Armstead Jan 2016 #117

See Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #82

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #50

I know...I've read the history (and was around) Armstead Jan 2016 #60

Yes. And they finally wrapped it into several other bills to ram it through. merrily Jan 2016 #84

It is NOT true. Sanders did vote for the bill (for which Clinton lobbied), but BEFORE merrily Jan 2016 #14

did he vote for reconciliation? bigtree Jan 2016 #20

Correct me if I'm wrong but.... phleshdef Jan 2016 #113

after changes both bills need to be reconciled bigtree Jan 2016 #118

Oh right, I remember now, when the ACA got passed and such, thats how it ended up working out. phleshdef Jan 2016 #119

Ok, I did the digging and yes, Sanders did support the reconciled bill. phleshdef Jan 2016 #120

Yeah he did Kentonio Jan 2016 #122

Thanks Merrily! Duppers Jan 2016 #51

Oh, you are such a spoilsport! klook Jan 2016 #52

Good on you, Merrily. Good information. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #64

You ask the wrong question. What does he mmonk Jan 2016 #17

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #56

Bookmarked. hrmjustin Jan 2016 #18

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #57

"Clinton charged that Sanders' vote to deregulate financial markets contributed to the recession" NCTraveler Jan 2016 #21

You'd make a good attorney....However in presenting the whole truth of things, not so much Armstead Jan 2016 #27

I agree that some are nuanced. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #30

Like I said, you'd be a good attorney Armstead Jan 2016 #32

Disagree. An attorney who dodges material facts does not sit well with judge or jury. merrily Jan 2016 #86

See Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #85

K&R mcar Jan 2016 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #29

BIG Dog could have vetoed it (an been on the record) Omaha Steve Jan 2016 #31

Please see Reply 14, OS. merrily Jan 2016 #88

Yes typical Clintonian dissembling...And of course she contradicts herself Armstead Jan 2016 #33

She said Bill would be an economic adviser????????? dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #72

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #87

I think her husband Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #38

Clinton Rove strikes again. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #43

this exchange began with a barrage of charges from Sen Sanders bigtree Jan 2016 #65

I missed that part of the debate hueymahl Jan 2016 #75

Fucking hypocritical. nt LexVegas Jan 2016 #53

Bernie did not even have a response or counter argument itsrobert Jan 2016 #58

Please see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #89

Now that is pure and unadulterated BS! ananda Jan 2016 #62

Except that it is indeed true and a matter of record. leftofcool Jan 2016 #121

Jesus this is rich. EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #63

Please also see Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #90

Guess she failed to mention her husband pushed for the bill and signed it. EndElectoral Jan 2016 #66

He voted with the Democrats ,but now he's the bad guy ? Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #74

Sanders was probably confused about the bill Politicub Jan 2016 #76

No See Reply 14 and sources linked in Reply 14. merrily Jan 2016 #78

I'm on mobile so I don't see post #'s Politicub Jan 2016 #83

Here you go. merrily Jan 2016 #92

He voted against the Brady bill under similar circumstances. Politicub Jan 2016 #107

You claim inability to see post ##s; I give you links; you ignore them and babble merrily Jan 2016 #108

It's so annoying that the whole thread has been spammed with... Agschmid Jan 2016 #93

Because reply 14 explains what happened and why Armstead Jan 2016 #106

I swear this whole thread is like being in the Clinton Spin Room. NT hueymahl Jan 2016 #77

Thanks for posting this Gothmog Jan 2016 #96

Only 4 representatives voted against the bill karynnj Jan 2016 #111

The bill that Bill Clinton signed. Takes a lot of gall there Hillary. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #114