2016 Postmortem

cui bono

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24. Yeah, better to go with a candidate who's not even going to try to implement the best health care

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:07 PM

Jan 2016

program. Better to go with someone who will just say "cut it out" and then leave them be.

We should never, EVER, vote for the candidate who will actually fight for us all, all the time. Who had consistently done so for 50 years. That would be terrible!

And we should believe what we read in a paper that endorses Republicans over Dems even though what we quote from it is simply an opinion that is easily shown to be false by looking at the candidate in question's decades long record.

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Bernie Sanders' health care fraud [View all] NCTraveler Jan 2016 OP

a few enid602 Jan 2016 #1

Really? jmowreader Jan 2016 #105

insurance mandated enid602 Jan 2016 #122

Probably because single payer only works with a very small insured base jmowreader Jan 2016 #124

It amazes me how little some people understand mythology Jan 2016 #152

Despicable title. You should be ashamed of it. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #2

TRUTH HURTS DON'T IT? my opinion. WE NEED TO BUILD on the ACA ... not GUT it. trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #46

Not at all but LIES are despicable. Single Payer is the only solution!!! nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #51

The Netherlands has the highest health care outcomes in Europe and doesn't have single payer mythology Jan 2016 #81

It is going to happen because the people want it. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #85

People "want" it? Where were you Hortensis Jan 2016 #109

You give up too easily. It will happen. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #115

I want single payer, Learn. I was very unhappy - Hortensis Jan 2016 #135

Calm down, you are wrong. Nobody is going to take the benefits away. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #136

Nice note to end on. Sleep well. Hortensis Jan 2016 #137

Wow, you're really something Kall Jan 2016 #126

republicans enid602 Jan 2016 #134

Yes and no. forest444 Jan 2016 #100

The question is: when Bernie rolls up his sleeves to implement this will you be there? Agony Jan 2016 #123

I certainly do support transitioning to a single-payer system. forest444 Jan 2016 #125

forest444 Agony Jan 2016 #127

I'm honored. forest444 Jan 2016 #128

What does "highest health care outcome" mean? Can you please provide details of their policy? cui bono Jan 2016 #120

Where has any Democratic candidate proposed "gutting" the ACA? Links, please. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #54

Yeah, well, chervilant Jan 2016 #88

This yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #96

go ahead, stick with a profit-based, ever increasing premium cost Karma13612 Jan 2016 #114

+1000 OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #80

It's a fairly common occurence here on DU redstateblues Jan 2016 #154

The whole OP is rather disingenuous. chervilant Jan 2016 #87

+1 freedom fighter jh Jan 2016 #89

+ 2 Quixote1818 Jan 2016 #121

What a load of bull HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #3

Do you actually believe this shit or just post it to fan the flames? /nt think Jan 2016 #4

Those of us in the reality-based community see Sanders' proposals for the empty-promises KittyWampus Jan 2016 #59

Reality based my ass. Y'all cant even admit Clinton sold out to the corporations. think Jan 2016 #69

Bernie will mount the bully pulpit, start waving his arms redstateblues Jan 2016 #155

Seems possible HassleCat Jan 2016 #5

The fraud is the claim that Sanders would pass this quickly. jeff47 Jan 2016 #6

Ever Wonder If They Told Roosevelt scottie55 Jan 2016 #119

UnRec for bullshit title. bvar22 Jan 2016 #7

Where there is no vision the people perish. earthside Jan 2016 #8

+1,000,000! nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #11

Big difference between vision and delusions. There isn't just one path to Universal Healthcare. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #62

Getting corporattions out of it is as important as the universal part dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #145

............... polly7 Jan 2016 #9

Great quotes. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #15

But she 'does' nothing to improve health care for ALL. Just like the quote said. polly7 Jan 2016 #16

Yes, but Sanders will bring to the WH some special magic that will make Congress more amenable Beacool Jan 2016 #10

Yeah, better to go with a candidate who's not even going to try to implement the best health care cui bono Jan 2016 #24

Hillary did not say just leave the health care we have now is the best we could have trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #49

She's been campaigning against single-payer all week!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #52

Exactly! Plucketeer Jan 2016 #118

You're foolish she is NOT campaigning against better. SHE SAID BUILD ON THE ACA. trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #129

I guess you just haven't been reading the news this past week. cui bono Jan 2016 #131

his campaign shows exactly that he IS bolder and more faithful to Democratic values than Hillary Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #29

For many it is a hifiguy Jan 2016 #70

Unless we are going to make health insurance nonprofits, and capped then we need a single payer JRLeft Jan 2016 #12

Speaking of Fraud silenttigersong Jan 2016 #13

serious question-- how would it cut down fraud? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #32

Well silenttigersong Jan 2016 #40

Ummm... no, it would vastly, vastly expand Medicare fraud Recursion Jan 2016 #71

Actually, there would be no fraud because everyone would be covered by the same plan. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #83

That doesn't prevent fraudulent claims being submitted. Fla Dem Jan 2016 #110

and when caught, they will be fined and go to jail. Medicare doesn't mess around. eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #133

That doesn't even make sense Recursion Jan 2016 #138

Interesting. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #139

Do you understand what Medicare fraud is? (Hint: google "Medicare fraud canada" for examples) Recursion Jan 2016 #140

No it's not. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #142

And Medicare pays fee for service Recursion Jan 2016 #143

And getting private profit out of the system has everything to do with OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #147

No, not at all. Single payer still has for profit providers Recursion Jan 2016 #149

Under your model I guess. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #150

Well, no, we haven't. Single payer is just about financing. Recursion Jan 2016 #153

It's not a very different question. It is all related to universal healthcare, OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #157

"No, We Can't", aim low then negotiate for crumbs, give up before you try, 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #14

exactly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #31

Chicago Trib = RW RAG that endorsed billionaire Teabagger Governor Bruce Rauner over DEMOCRATIC in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #17

Thank you. I did not know that. cui bono Jan 2016 #20

Crystal clear. Yes. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #36

*Rahm* endorsed Rauner MisterP Jan 2016 #48

Rahm is Rauner's golfing buddy too. Says EVERYTHING we need to know, as far as I'm concerned. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #91

And the "more immediate defect" in this article... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #18

You seem to be trying really hard today. But really, fraud??? cui bono Jan 2016 #19

lol n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #21

Then isn't Hillary guilty of the same fraud since she failed back in the 90's? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #22

The Sanders plan has zero chance of being adopted Gothmog Jan 2016 #23

If you feel that Democrats have zero chance of changing things for the better... cascadiance Jan 2016 #33

Yup. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #57

The majority here on DU aren't interested in reality redstateblues Jan 2016 #156

What a bunch of b.s. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #25

Whoa, Hill People are desperate. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #26

His healthcare "plan" is a fraud and Bernie is a fraud! leftofcool Jan 2016 #27

Being defensive of having to defend the REAL fraud in our present and past systems?... cascadiance Jan 2016 #34

"to suggest he�s bolder and more faithful to Democratic values than Hillary Clinton." So what??? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #28

blah blah blah blah........you hill people crack me up bowens43 Jan 2016 #30

The Hills have eyes, but no heart. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #58

Sanders has a terrific plan but we need to be realistic about its chances. LonePirate Jan 2016 #35

All Sanders supporters know this. This is no mystery. We simply want to fight for it. Not Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #60

I'm not sure all Sanders supporters know this. I think some expect instantaneous change next January LonePirate Jan 2016 #66

OH, please. On this site? We are not new bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #76

I never specified Sanders supporters on this site only. LonePirate Jan 2016 #98

This, exactly (n/t) bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #73

It's too vague for me to call it "terrific" Recursion Jan 2016 #74

And don't forget the Supreme Court bigdarryl Jan 2016 #146

No one, including Sanders, thinks that he can convince Vattel Jan 2016 #37

I wouldn't use the word "fraud," frankly. MineralMan Jan 2016 #38

To me fraud means MoonRiver Jan 2016 #41

Well, I still don't like the usage. Bernie Sanders truly believes MineralMan Jan 2016 #42

Ok, I see your point. MoonRiver Jan 2016 #44

We are in deep shit as a nation. sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #79

Fuck this shit. azmom Jan 2016 #39

Amen. This is seriously fucking stupid and I cannot believe what I'm reading here today. You Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #63

I think that is a Limp Bizkit song. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #108

single payer has been a democratic party goal for as long as I have lived rurallib Jan 2016 #43

"Stop asking for nice things, peons! Shut up and vote Hillary!" - the empty pantsuit Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #45

Ever More FUD cantbeserious Jan 2016 #47

LOL at your defeatist attitude. thereismore Jan 2016 #50

I thought Hillary was a bit disingenuous last night Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #53

she was not honest about the public option questionseverything Jan 2016 #93

What a bunch of bs. lastone Jan 2016 #55

let me ask you one question: are you against single payer? nt Javaman Jan 2016 #56

I sincerely doubt chervilant Jan 2016 #97

I know. I like to put it out there Javaman Jan 2016 #144

Don't you remember? The ACA is the stepping stone towards universal healthcare. retrowire Jan 2016 #61

Well Obama already killed grandma MyNameGoesHere Jan 2016 #64

Naah...it'll be your mom this time. jmowreader Jan 2016 #107

Where's the real fraud/question kathysart_decoration Jan 2016 #65

Clinton supporters, like their candidate, know no bottom when it comes to lying about Sanders. Indepatriot Jan 2016 #67

bernie truly believes there is a pathway to SP restorefreedom Jan 2016 #68

Most obnoxious title so far mikehiggins Jan 2016 #72

Hillary opposed my rights for 17 years. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #75

Goals aren't "fraud." DirkGently Jan 2016 #77

Genuine B.S. nt ladjf Jan 2016 #78

desperation Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #81

Wow, feeling the Bern today? demwing Jan 2016 #84

If the country currently has ROMNEYCARE... Herman4747 Jan 2016 #86

To the naysayers OxQQme Jan 2016 #90

Will there be Death Panels? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #92

Nailed it/nt think Jan 2016 #99

I would not expect, and I do not believe Bernie would try to gut ACA Scalded Nun Jan 2016 #94

Comedy gold Fuddnik Jan 2016 #95

Of course the author of this piece, Steve Chapman, is a rightwing libertarian from Reason Magazine! m-lekktor Jan 2016 #101

Yep, and the OP just ate it up. draa Jan 2016 #106

Bingo. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #113

This Op is totally turd way. Phlem Jan 2016 #102

I would like to see the meat and potatoes how does he implement this FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #103

Hillary's new slogan.... mudstump Jan 2016 #104

BS. Bernie has been fighting for this particular issue for as long as I can remember. Vinca Jan 2016 #111

H is for HopeLESS I guess NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #112

What a strange post... We should adopt a republican platform because republicans control congress? fbc Jan 2016 #116

Fraud? SoapBox Jan 2016 #117

This is dispicable REACTIONARY slander again Bernie. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #130

so, the op wants us to eat the cup of hopemountain Jan 2016 #132

Can't do anything -- Edition 16.5 Armstead Jan 2016 #141

rightwing libertarians are okay, now? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #148

Sanders is being disingenuous in his quest for the Presidency. He is promising things he will not be Metric System Jan 2016 #151

I haven't forgotten the give-away to insurance companies Matariki Jan 2016 #158

Bernie Sanders's fiction-filled campaign Gothmog Jan 2016 #159