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Avalux

(35,015 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:42 PM Jan 2016

Who else wanted single-payer universal healthcare over the ACA? [View all]

If I recall correctly, most of us did during that time. So we got the ACA - not perfect, but we resigned ourselves into believing it's a stepping stone to something better. A baby step.

Obviously, Hillary thinks that the ACA is just fine as it is, and doesn't seem too concerned over the skyrocketing cost of drugs. She warned us last night that we shouldn't even try to do better, that it's not possible.

I work with a woman who needs a liver transplant; she's been on the donor list for a few months now. Our employer decided to switch insurance companies at the end of 2015, with new coverage from a new company starting Jan 1. Even though ACA took care of the pre-existing illness issue, my co-worker is now in a state of limbo while the new insurance co. reviews her records and determines what they will and will not cover. During this period of time, she has NO coverage.

She is waiting right now, and said she prays every day the phone won't ring to tell her they found a liver because she's not covered yet.

This is a serious situation. Her life should not be in the hands of an insurance company while they 'decide' what to do with her; she should not have to worry about this on top of her health issues.

Medical care must be available to EVERYONE when they need it, regardless of ability to pay, employment, or income. I supported the ACA, but so long as insurance cos. and pharma cos. are calling the shots, it's not good enough.

I agree with Bernie that medical care is a basic human right. Hillary and her supporters do not.


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I do.... daleanime Jan 2016 #1
Bernie won't give up on 29 Million uninsured Americans. Go Bernie!!! nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #2
thanks, Bern enid602 Jan 2016 #128
Care to offer any type of proof? Change has come Jan 2016 #133
plan enid602 Jan 2016 #135
Where is this coming from? Link? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #192
Which is why Bernie changed his single-payer plan to ONE Federal plan, 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #145
S. 1782 enid602 Jan 2016 #149
So you really don't know what his plan is. n/t passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #193
bill enid602 Jan 2016 #198
the bill from 2014, didn't you say? passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #199
K&R azmom Jan 2016 #3
I did! cui bono Jan 2016 #4
Thank you! Avalux Jan 2016 #10
me tk2kewl Jan 2016 #5
Count me in! Even WITH insurance, medial care is too pricey for me. arcane1 Jan 2016 #6
Yep. You've highlighted what's wrong with for profit healthcare. Avalux Jan 2016 #8
Ha...sorry this made me laugh. I know it's not funny. Not at all. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #30
Stories, similar to yours, are all too common. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #73
Gap policy homegirl Jan 2016 #171
I say "good" with you. 840high Jan 2016 #117
Health INSURANCE IS NOT HEALTH CARE!!!!!! weknowvino2 Jan 2016 #127
True, but... Rider3 Jan 2016 #175
Oh, sure you can passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #195
Thing is, they SHOULD be confused...or rather fused LiberalLovinLug Jan 2016 #182
I had a gg grandmother and a ggg grandmother who were Canadian. dgibby Jan 2016 #191
After changing my plan from 2015 to a different plan for 2016 kacekwl Jan 2016 #141
If everyone has single payer, of course they will except it. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #196
$3,300.00 .....you got off cheap kacekwl Jan 2016 #142
If you pay *something* on it every month it wont go to collections. Elmergantry Jan 2016 #162
With my bill, it went to a special medical collection group passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #197
must be a state law thing Elmergantry Jan 2016 #200
That was years ago, and it's all paid off now passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #201
im the same way Elmergantry Jan 2016 #202
I don't even own a credit card. passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #205
you aint shittn Elmergantry Jan 2016 #206
I know the feeling passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #207
Why should Hillary want to change anything? She and the rest of the 1%ers are doing great. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #7
+1000! Plucketeer Jan 2016 #9
I thought it was sold to progressives as... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #11
Precisely. The ACA is not good enough, and we can do better. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #13
Isn't that the truth............................... turbinetree Jan 2016 #20
I wanted a public option Armstead Jan 2016 #12
Obviously the insurance industry did not want us to see how it flies. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #75
I did! hopeforchange2008 Jan 2016 #14
Not For Profit Healthcare Is The Only Path Forward cantbeserious Jan 2016 #15
Yes it is. We MUST change the current system. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #19
Try Kaiser and other not-for-profit plans. You won't save much, if anything. Hoyt Jan 2016 #28
Blue Cross - Blue Shield Is Significantly Lower In Cost cantbeserious Jan 2016 #100
Not for profit doesn't automatically mean protection for the consumer. Cassiopeia Jan 2016 #143
Truthfully, if they run a good quality health system, I don't care if they make really good income Hoyt Jan 2016 #153
+10,000 alittlelark Jan 2016 #138
what doed that mean? Elmergantry Jan 2016 #176
I did. SheilaT Jan 2016 #16
Me too, SheilaT. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #77
She didn't say this... one_voice Jan 2016 #17
Building on a poor foundation is not a good idea zeemike Jan 2016 #32
Yeah.. one_voice Jan 2016 #40
Well it covered my life threatening illness just fine. zeemike Jan 2016 #58
Well said, zeemike! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #80
That is exactly the path for Bernie to get it through. JimDandy Jan 2016 #120
Yes, well said. This is what needs to happen, and Bernie is the only one who would Nay Jan 2016 #169
You know what is not covered in the UK? Kentonio Jan 2016 #147
Please make sure Sanders goes around SC saying Obamacare is a poor foundation and that uponit7771 Jan 2016 #123
You can build on it all you want. zeemike Jan 2016 #179
First thing I noticed was that lie as well. JoePhilly Jan 2016 #60
Thank you for an honest post. I really hate that BS supporters twist everything. laureloak Jan 2016 #66
Hillary thinks ACA is fine as is because of teh Donations she has received from the industries Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #18
Yes. But I also live in the real world. bluestateguy Jan 2016 #21
I did stage left Jan 2016 #22
Hillary has taken too much cash for speeches to healthcare companies opposing single payer! ViseGrip Jan 2016 #23
I do! nt R. P. McMurphy Jan 2016 #24
Me. Javaman Jan 2016 #25
Stop LYING about Clinton's position on the ACA. She has proposals to go further. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #26
Hillary's proposals to "go further" are band aids. Avalux Jan 2016 #35
Nearly a third of said person's income if they are supported by SS. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #38
And, Ed, that is outrageous travesty. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #85
I didn't hear her plans last night, I heard her scare people saying Bernie wanted to scrap the ACA Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #42
Care to expound? She's not going to touch one Insurance Executive's job or pay grade. Not one. libdem4life Jan 2016 #61
Clinton does nothing but lie. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #87
About EVERYTHING sammythecat Jan 2016 #118
With what?.... paleotn Jan 2016 #97
wouldn't that be 'tearing it up'? navarth Jan 2016 #187
I've spent the past 4 months trying to get insurance after moving to another state Chathamization Jan 2016 #27
I do. My sister's prosthetic limb costs 45,000$ every time she has to get a new one roguevalley Jan 2016 #29
Me. Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #31
Me. nt Ilsa Jan 2016 #33
Virtually everyone at DU did, as I recall. elleng Jan 2016 #34
You're right, can't ignore that it would be really difficult. Avalux Jan 2016 #37
I did, do, and will. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #36
I did. NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #39
he totally sold us out on the public option Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #43
I did back then. Delmette Jan 2016 #41
I no longer want to live under corporate rule, as if I ever Dustlawyer Jan 2016 #44
That's the crux of the problem - corporate rule corrodes our lives. Avalux Jan 2016 #57
I am with you, Avalux! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #89
Super gigantic plus one a whole bunch! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #88
I remember being pissed when the Public Option was tossed aside at the very beginning. Roland99 Jan 2016 #45
Me too. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #90
We were not even given a seat at the table. FlatBaroque Jan 2016 #124
I did, and LWolf Jan 2016 #46
It's the only choice for a rational, civilized society. sarge43 Jan 2016 #47
Well said, sarge43! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #91
Thank you, Enthsiast. n/t sarge43 Jan 2016 #107
" ...Hillary thinks that the ACA is just fine as it is..." 40RatRod Jan 2016 #48
She may put bandaids on it, but she's not going to change it. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #51
She wants incremental change. In the meantime we are in a crisis. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #94
Then by all means Enthusiast,... 40RatRod Jan 2016 #122
You'll never get anywhere if you don't have a strong advocate Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #144
How could you believe this, unless you totally bought into insurance industry talking points? Enthusiast Jan 2016 #158
Thank you, Enthusiast. The REAL world, as opposed to US Fantasy Bootstrap World, has Nay Jan 2016 #177
Yes! We do not have to accept the status quo. Not when everyone else has better. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #183
I was... DUbeornot2be Jan 2016 #49
Me Fuddnik Jan 2016 #50
There's still millions not covered even with the ACA Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #52
I remember 2010 Kall Jan 2016 #53
The insuror's ineptitude . . . MrModerate Jan 2016 #54
not only single payer UglyGreed Jan 2016 #55
I hope we can have single payer soon so we can help people like you. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #99
Thank you Enthusiast. I know there are many others UglyGreed Jan 2016 #101
Sorry you're going through this, UG senz Jan 2016 #115
. UglyGreed Jan 2016 #173
Present and accounted for swilton Jan 2016 #56
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #59
yep. Phlem Jan 2016 #62
What is truly repulsive to me is that many Warren Stupidity Jan 2016 #63
Pretty much everyone...excitement was short-lived. libdem4life Jan 2016 #64
Most of the damn country...and that hasn't changed. n/t. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #65
I did and do mahina Jan 2016 #67
Who else realizes that it had no chance in hell of passing? Orrex Jan 2016 #68
Nothing will EVER change with that kind of thinking. Avalux Jan 2016 #70
How many miracles do you think Sanders has coming to him? Orrex Jan 2016 #83
I understand your position, Orrex, but IMO we must elect someone who Nay Jan 2016 #181
Me. SoapBox Jan 2016 #69
Any health care system that leaves profit motives intact is not a good solution. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #71
What Hillary actually said was Gman Jan 2016 #72
Of course.... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #74
I do n/t Got it Jan 2016 #76
Me. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #78
Yes, medical care is a basic human right. TIME TO PANIC Jan 2016 #79
I agree, it's not good enough StarzGuy Jan 2016 #81
I was for HR 676 because it also encluded bkkyosemite Jan 2016 #82
I did, but I am a meaningless moonbat. Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #84
Hillary and the rest of the Dem Establishment is 100% OWNED by the Healthcare Industry. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #86
I do. That's why Bernie Sanders gets my donations and my vote. Auggie Jan 2016 #92
I want single payer salib Jan 2016 #93
Another fundamentally dishonest opening post. Universal Health Care is the goal NOT SINGLE PAYER. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #95
How do you move the ACA towards Universal Health Care? Curmudgeoness Jan 2016 #132
I did. DinahMoeHum Jan 2016 #96
Me (nt) bigwillq Jan 2016 #98
I did and I still do. n /t Jackilope Jan 2016 #102
I heard Ms Clinton say we should evolve the ACA... JohnnyRingo Jan 2016 #103
Me. I was hoping to lower the age for medicare. muntrv Jan 2016 #104
The notion that healthcare is a human right will be as easy to get the US to accept librechik Jan 2016 #105
I fought for it and so did my Congressman. Scruffy1 Jan 2016 #106
Yes, and always did shanti Jan 2016 #108
absolutely! hopemountain Jan 2016 #109
Me. Did then and still do. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #110
Here... WillyT Jan 2016 #111
I want Americans to have what advanced industrialized nations should have. senz Jan 2016 #112
When every act must be attuned to moneymaking, we get bastardized 'health plans' like Nay Jan 2016 #172
^^ THIS ^^ Knowledgable, thoughtful, thought-provoking. senz Jan 2016 #188
It wasn't even close for me. 99Forever Jan 2016 #113
Because it was the only thing that Republicans would vote for PatrynXX Jan 2016 #114
Very happy to have aged into Medicare HockeyMom Jan 2016 #116
Thank you for saying that. Most of us on Medicare True Blue American Jan 2016 #154
The insurance vampires skim $400 billion off the top every year. ErikJ Jan 2016 #119
This One Guy Used To Support It Before They Got To Him srobert Jan 2016 #121
Me blackspade Jan 2016 #125
I did!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #126
Most Americans do! Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #129
I wanted Kennedycare, aka Medicare for all. tclambert Jan 2016 #130
I wanted universal health care, Curmudgeoness Jan 2016 #131
I wanted Medicare for All, but would have settled for a strong public option. I got neither. merrily Jan 2016 #134
Here. And I still want it. AllyCat Jan 2016 #136
yup glinda Jan 2016 #137
"...new insurance co. reviews her records and determines what they will and will not cover." Snarkoleptic Jan 2016 #139
I do. draa Jan 2016 #140
All I remember is something about unicorns and something being called "fucking retarded." n/t xocet Jan 2016 #146
Count me in, then and now. Liberty Belle Jan 2016 #148
I remember a local doctors' group deeply split on whether or not to support ACA philly_bob Jan 2016 #150
I was hoping Obama would do it Lunabell Jan 2016 #151
I am beginning to suspect chervilant Jan 2016 #152
K&R n/t jtuck004 Jan 2016 #155
Did someone mention me? :D John Poet Jan 2016 #164
pre-ACA, I expected the age for medicare to be lowered to about 50, apparently the 'for profit'... Sunlei Jan 2016 #156
I have been an advocate of single payer, universal health care for years mnhtnbb Jan 2016 #157
We got the most change Wall St shareholders would allow. raouldukelives Jan 2016 #159
Fighting harder for single payer might have at least gotten us a public option. eridani Jan 2016 #160
My hand is in the air! CanonRay Jan 2016 #161
ACA is/was a gift to insurance companies. Elmergantry Jan 2016 #163
BINGO! AlbertCat Jan 2016 #165
ya.."affordable" for who? Elmergantry Jan 2016 #174
Here! snort Jan 2016 #166
It was part of the parties platform in 2008. liberalnarb Jan 2016 #167
When we stop growing, learning, improving, we're only partly alive. Gregorian Jan 2016 #168
ME, ME, ME, ME! n/t ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #170
If not Single payer" hung my hopes on at least a "public option" annabanana Jan 2016 #178
Me.. ghostsinthemachine Jan 2016 #180
I wanted it, either that or the public option. Stevepol Jan 2016 #184
me. navarth Jan 2016 #185
But..but..what about the poor downtrodden Insurance and Pharmaceutical companies??? K&R Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2016 #186
Count me in! avaistheone1 Jan 2016 #189
I noticed the recs are UglyGreed Jan 2016 #190
I do. kenfrequed Jan 2016 #194
ACA has helped many people, but I want single payer. ZombieHorde Jan 2016 #203
+1 Zorra Jan 2016 #204
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