2016 Postmortem

trueblue2007

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46. TRUTH HURTS DON'T IT? my opinion. WE NEED TO BUILD on the ACA ... not GUT it.

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Bernie Sanders' health care fraud [View all] NCTraveler Jan 2016 OP

a few enid602 Jan 2016 #1

Really? jmowreader Jan 2016 #105

insurance mandated enid602 Jan 2016 #122

Probably because single payer only works with a very small insured base jmowreader Jan 2016 #124

It amazes me how little some people understand mythology Jan 2016 #152

Despicable title. You should be ashamed of it. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #2

TRUTH HURTS DON'T IT? my opinion. WE NEED TO BUILD on the ACA ... not GUT it. trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #46

Not at all but LIES are despicable. Single Payer is the only solution!!! nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #51

The Netherlands has the highest health care outcomes in Europe and doesn't have single payer mythology Jan 2016 #81

It is going to happen because the people want it. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #85

People "want" it? Where were you Hortensis Jan 2016 #109

You give up too easily. It will happen. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #115

I want single payer, Learn. I was very unhappy - Hortensis Jan 2016 #135

Calm down, you are wrong. Nobody is going to take the benefits away. Live and Learn Jan 2016 #136

Nice note to end on. Sleep well. Hortensis Jan 2016 #137

Wow, you're really something Kall Jan 2016 #126

republicans enid602 Jan 2016 #134

Yes and no. forest444 Jan 2016 #100

The question is: when Bernie rolls up his sleeves to implement this will you be there? Agony Jan 2016 #123

I certainly do support transitioning to a single-payer system. forest444 Jan 2016 #125

forest444 Agony Jan 2016 #127

I'm honored. forest444 Jan 2016 #128

What does "highest health care outcome" mean? Can you please provide details of their policy? cui bono Jan 2016 #120

Where has any Democratic candidate proposed "gutting" the ACA? Links, please. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #54

Yeah, well, chervilant Jan 2016 #88

This yuiyoshida Jan 2016 #96

go ahead, stick with a profit-based, ever increasing premium cost Karma13612 Jan 2016 #114

+1000 OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #80

It's a fairly common occurence here on DU redstateblues Jan 2016 #154

The whole OP is rather disingenuous. chervilant Jan 2016 #87

+1 freedom fighter jh Jan 2016 #89

+ 2 Quixote1818 Jan 2016 #121

What a load of bull HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #3

Do you actually believe this shit or just post it to fan the flames? /nt think Jan 2016 #4

Those of us in the reality-based community see Sanders' proposals for the empty-promises KittyWampus Jan 2016 #59

Reality based my ass. Y'all cant even admit Clinton sold out to the corporations. think Jan 2016 #69

Bernie will mount the bully pulpit, start waving his arms redstateblues Jan 2016 #155

Seems possible HassleCat Jan 2016 #5

The fraud is the claim that Sanders would pass this quickly. jeff47 Jan 2016 #6

Ever Wonder If They Told Roosevelt scottie55 Jan 2016 #119

UnRec for bullshit title. bvar22 Jan 2016 #7

Where there is no vision the people perish. earthside Jan 2016 #8

+1,000,000! nt. polly7 Jan 2016 #11

Big difference between vision and delusions. There isn't just one path to Universal Healthcare. KittyWampus Jan 2016 #62

Getting corporattions out of it is as important as the universal part dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #145

............... polly7 Jan 2016 #9

Great quotes. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #15

But she 'does' nothing to improve health care for ALL. Just like the quote said. polly7 Jan 2016 #16

Yes, but Sanders will bring to the WH some special magic that will make Congress more amenable Beacool Jan 2016 #10

Yeah, better to go with a candidate who's not even going to try to implement the best health care cui bono Jan 2016 #24

Hillary did not say just leave the health care we have now is the best we could have trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #49

She's been campaigning against single-payer all week!!! cui bono Jan 2016 #52

Exactly! Plucketeer Jan 2016 #118

You're foolish she is NOT campaigning against better. SHE SAID BUILD ON THE ACA. trueblue2007 Jan 2016 #129

I guess you just haven't been reading the news this past week. cui bono Jan 2016 #131

his campaign shows exactly that he IS bolder and more faithful to Democratic values than Hillary Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #29

For many it is a hifiguy Jan 2016 #70

Unless we are going to make health insurance nonprofits, and capped then we need a single payer JRLeft Jan 2016 #12

Speaking of Fraud silenttigersong Jan 2016 #13

serious question-- how would it cut down fraud? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #32

Well silenttigersong Jan 2016 #40

Ummm... no, it would vastly, vastly expand Medicare fraud Recursion Jan 2016 #71

Actually, there would be no fraud because everyone would be covered by the same plan. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #83

That doesn't prevent fraudulent claims being submitted. Fla Dem Jan 2016 #110

and when caught, they will be fined and go to jail. Medicare doesn't mess around. eom Karma13612 Jan 2016 #133

That doesn't even make sense Recursion Jan 2016 #138

Interesting. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #139

Do you understand what Medicare fraud is? (Hint: google "Medicare fraud canada" for examples) Recursion Jan 2016 #140

No it's not. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #142

And Medicare pays fee for service Recursion Jan 2016 #143

And getting private profit out of the system has everything to do with OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #147

No, not at all. Single payer still has for profit providers Recursion Jan 2016 #149

Under your model I guess. OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #150

Well, no, we haven't. Single payer is just about financing. Recursion Jan 2016 #153

It's not a very different question. It is all related to universal healthcare, OrwellwasRight Jan 2016 #157

"No, We Can't", aim low then negotiate for crumbs, give up before you try, 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #14

exactly Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #31

Chicago Trib = RW RAG that endorsed billionaire Teabagger Governor Bruce Rauner over DEMOCRATIC in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #17

Thank you. I did not know that. cui bono Jan 2016 #20

Crystal clear. Yes. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #36

*Rahm* endorsed Rauner MisterP Jan 2016 #48

Rahm is Rauner's golfing buddy too. Says EVERYTHING we need to know, as far as I'm concerned. in_cog_ni_to Jan 2016 #91

And the "more immediate defect" in this article... ljm2002 Jan 2016 #18

You seem to be trying really hard today. But really, fraud??? cui bono Jan 2016 #19

lol n/t Jefferson23 Jan 2016 #21

Then isn't Hillary guilty of the same fraud since she failed back in the 90's? Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #22

The Sanders plan has zero chance of being adopted Gothmog Jan 2016 #23

If you feel that Democrats have zero chance of changing things for the better... cascadiance Jan 2016 #33

Yup. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #57

The majority here on DU aren't interested in reality redstateblues Jan 2016 #156

What a bunch of b.s. n/t Skwmom Jan 2016 #25

Whoa, Hill People are desperate. Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #26

His healthcare "plan" is a fraud and Bernie is a fraud! leftofcool Jan 2016 #27

Being defensive of having to defend the REAL fraud in our present and past systems?... cascadiance Jan 2016 #34

"to suggest he�s bolder and more faithful to Democratic values than Hillary Clinton." So what??? Fast Walker 52 Jan 2016 #28

blah blah blah blah........you hill people crack me up bowens43 Jan 2016 #30

The Hills have eyes, but no heart. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #58

Sanders has a terrific plan but we need to be realistic about its chances. LonePirate Jan 2016 #35

All Sanders supporters know this. This is no mystery. We simply want to fight for it. Not Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #60

I'm not sure all Sanders supporters know this. I think some expect instantaneous change next January LonePirate Jan 2016 #66

OH, please. On this site? We are not new bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #76

I never specified Sanders supporters on this site only. LonePirate Jan 2016 #98

This, exactly (n/t) bread_and_roses Jan 2016 #73

It's too vague for me to call it "terrific" Recursion Jan 2016 #74

And don't forget the Supreme Court bigdarryl Jan 2016 #146

No one, including Sanders, thinks that he can convince Vattel Jan 2016 #37

I wouldn't use the word "fraud," frankly. MineralMan Jan 2016 #38

To me fraud means MoonRiver Jan 2016 #41

Well, I still don't like the usage. Bernie Sanders truly believes MineralMan Jan 2016 #42

Ok, I see your point. MoonRiver Jan 2016 #44

We are in deep shit as a nation. sulphurdunn Jan 2016 #79

Fuck this shit. azmom Jan 2016 #39

Amen. This is seriously fucking stupid and I cannot believe what I'm reading here today. You Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #63

I think that is a Limp Bizkit song. Nt NCTraveler Jan 2016 #108

single payer has been a democratic party goal for as long as I have lived rurallib Jan 2016 #43

"Stop asking for nice things, peons! Shut up and vote Hillary!" - the empty pantsuit Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #45

Ever More FUD cantbeserious Jan 2016 #47

LOL at your defeatist attitude. thereismore Jan 2016 #50

I thought Hillary was a bit disingenuous last night Blue_In_AK Jan 2016 #53

she was not honest about the public option questionseverything Jan 2016 #93

What a bunch of bs. lastone Jan 2016 #55

let me ask you one question: are you against single payer? nt Javaman Jan 2016 #56

I sincerely doubt chervilant Jan 2016 #97

I know. I like to put it out there Javaman Jan 2016 #144

Don't you remember? The ACA is the stepping stone towards universal healthcare. retrowire Jan 2016 #61

Well Obama already killed grandma MyNameGoesHere Jan 2016 #64

Naah...it'll be your mom this time. jmowreader Jan 2016 #107

Where's the real fraud/question kathysart_decoration Jan 2016 #65

Clinton supporters, like their candidate, know no bottom when it comes to lying about Sanders. Indepatriot Jan 2016 #67

bernie truly believes there is a pathway to SP restorefreedom Jan 2016 #68

Most obnoxious title so far mikehiggins Jan 2016 #72

Hillary opposed my rights for 17 years. Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #75

Goals aren't "fraud." DirkGently Jan 2016 #77

Genuine B.S. nt ladjf Jan 2016 #78

desperation Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #81

Wow, feeling the Bern today? demwing Jan 2016 #84

If the country currently has ROMNEYCARE... Herman4747 Jan 2016 #86

To the naysayers OxQQme Jan 2016 #90

Will there be Death Panels? Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #92

Nailed it/nt think Jan 2016 #99

I would not expect, and I do not believe Bernie would try to gut ACA Scalded Nun Jan 2016 #94

Comedy gold Fuddnik Jan 2016 #95

Of course the author of this piece, Steve Chapman, is a rightwing libertarian from Reason Magazine! m-lekktor Jan 2016 #101

Yep, and the OP just ate it up. draa Jan 2016 #106

Bingo. NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #113

This Op is totally turd way. Phlem Jan 2016 #102

I would like to see the meat and potatoes how does he implement this FloridaBlues Jan 2016 #103

Hillary's new slogan.... mudstump Jan 2016 #104

BS. Bernie has been fighting for this particular issue for as long as I can remember. Vinca Jan 2016 #111

H is for HopeLESS I guess NRaleighLiberal Jan 2016 #112

What a strange post... We should adopt a republican platform because republicans control congress? fbc Jan 2016 #116

Fraud? SoapBox Jan 2016 #117

This is dispicable REACTIONARY slander again Bernie. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #130

so, the op wants us to eat the cup of hopemountain Jan 2016 #132

Can't do anything -- Edition 16.5 Armstead Jan 2016 #141

rightwing libertarians are okay, now? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #148

Sanders is being disingenuous in his quest for the Presidency. He is promising things he will not be Metric System Jan 2016 #151

I haven't forgotten the give-away to insurance companies Matariki Jan 2016 #158

Bernie Sanders's fiction-filled campaign Gothmog Jan 2016 #159