2016 Postmortem

Gothmog

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123. From Nate Silver directly

Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:21 PM

Jan 2016

Your attacks on attributions were silly but this will settle the issue http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-is-really-unpopular-with-general-election-voters/

Head-to-head polls of hypothetical general election matchups have almost no predictive power at this stage of the campaign, but for what it’s worth, Trump tends to fare relatively poorly in those too. On average,2 in polls since Nov. 1, Trump trails Clinton by 5 percentage points, while Clinton and Marco Rubio are tied.

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FINALLY!! America's flagship newspaper acknowledges that Bernie is more electable than Hillary!! [View all] Green Forest Jan 2016 OP

For Bernie, a win depends on his choice for VP. I hope he makes the right one. My opinion of course. Paper Roses Jan 2016 #1

Could Not Agree More... K aAND R! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #40

When asked about his choice of VP recently, Bernie spoke about Elizabeth Warren. He did not sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #42

Nice change of pace floriduck Jan 2016 #2

Of whom do you speak? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #3

Hillbots, clowns, pigs???? Beacool Jan 2016 #7

Please be careful how you respond to the various calumnies, lest you get a hide. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #8

So as long as the attack is against Hillary and her supporters anyone can say anything they please? Beacool Jan 2016 #9

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The remarks your interlocutor derided weren't directed at a public figure. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #45

I do not engage in that kind of rhetoric and abhor any level of discourse that engages in sabrina 1 Jan 2016 #119

Sabrina, you are correct. floriduck Jan 2016 #93

Excellent posts Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #127

Thank you for your kind words. I am much obliged, Jenny. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #128

How do I Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #125

By putting them on "ignore" DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #126

Thank you Jenny_92808 Jan 2016 #129

I'm sure you'll find much worse around DU. bvf Jan 2016 #32

Can you please cite an instance... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #47

I said "much worse." bvf Jan 2016 #50

Better yet, sir. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #51

It boggles the mind. bvf Jan 2016 #53

"/TTAR". I am not familiar with the acronym, sir. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #54

As expected, he can't. Just a lot of HOT AIR with nothing to back it up. BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #101

I suspect it wasn't nice but who knows? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #102

True. Always take the high ground...it's what Hillary Clinton supporters have been consistently BlueCaliDem Jan 2016 #103

Hillbots? Disgusting pigs? ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #13

Please don't take the bait. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #14

Fuck 'em ... ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #39

Jury Results Quayblue Jan 2016 #41

What do people expect from those whose necks have had heels put into them ? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #44

I've about had it with this place... one_voice Jan 2016 #49

I wonder where the alert came from ronnykmarshall Jan 2016 #92

I would not place too much reliance on hypothetical match up polls Gothmog Jan 2016 #26

Stop ascribing that to Nate Silver, already. bvf Jan 2016 #35

It is from his website and reflects his views Gothmog Jan 2016 #37

That's entirely beside the point. It's misattribution, bvf Jan 2016 #38

You are wrong Gothmog Jan 2016 #68

Great argument. bvf Jan 2016 #71

This is from Nate Silver's website Gothmog Jan 2016 #108

Why do you continue to misattribute this to bvf Jan 2016 #110

Why are you objecting to Nate Silver's site? Gothmog Jan 2016 #117

I'm not. Why are you misattributing quotes bvf Jan 2016 #120

This is directly from Nate Gothmog Jan 2016 #122

You misattributed the words in a graphic lifted bvf Jan 2016 #130

I am amused by your fear of the facts here Gothmog Jan 2016 #143

I am amused by your continued denial bvf Jan 2016 #145

First Read -Are Sanders' general-election numbers fool's gold Gothmog Jan 2016 #107

Hey, look at this. bvf Jan 2016 #111

So 538 is not Nate Silver's site? Gothmog Jan 2016 #116

Nice try. bvf Jan 2016 #118

From Nate Silver directly Gothmog Jan 2016 #123

It settles nothing. bvf Jan 2016 #131

Again, Nate Silver is very clear that Sanders can not use these match up polls to show electability Gothmog Jan 2016 #134

Correct your misattribution. bvf Jan 2016 #136

No you are wrong-Nate Silver approved of this language when first used and has cited it since Gothmog Jan 2016 #137

You misattributed someone else's words bvf Jan 2016 #139

From Nate Silver directly Gothmog Jan 2016 #124

See #130. bvf Jan 2016 #132

I am very ethical and the attribution is correct Gothmog Jan 2016 #133

It is unethical of you to misattribute bvf Jan 2016 #135

Read the article from Nate Gothmog Jan 2016 #138

Correct your misattribution. bvf Jan 2016 #140

You are wrong-Again read the article from Nate Gothmog Jan 2016 #141

No. bvf Jan 2016 #142

And you are are still wrong Gothmog Jan 2016 #144

What the fuck? one_voice Jan 2016 #46

It seems we have been instructed such discourse is perfectly acceptable here. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #48

Just alert it for goodness sake, you know perfectly well it'll be hidden. Kentonio Jan 2016 #56

I truly don't believe it will be hidden DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #57

Have you alerted it? Kentonio Jan 2016 #58

You could alert on it treestar Jan 2016 #59

I want to know why DemocratSinceBirth is so reticent to do so. Kentonio Jan 2016 #64

I am not one to alert; but, there are good reasons to not alert ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #81

No. I did not alert on it. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #61

Ok, let's see. I'd still like to know why you refused to alert yourself however. Kentonio Jan 2016 #65

More candor. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #66

I'm embarrased to say I must apologize. You were correct and I was wrong. Kentonio Jan 2016 #69

Not one LEAVER gave an explanation treestar Jan 2016 #72

Yeah. bvf Jan 2016 #75

you think that post is OK treestar Jan 2016 #76

That's an ignorant thing to say. bvf Jan 2016 #79

So anyone can call the Bernie supporters pigs and not get a hide vote ? treestar Jan 2016 #94

Given your stated assumption about me bvf Jan 2016 #95

well so you are OK with calling other DUers things like that treestar Jan 2016 #96

I'll add that I'm also OK with *being called* bvf Jan 2016 #98

I have been here for nearly thirteen years. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #89

Good of you to do that, Kentonio. bvf Jan 2016 #73

Well DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #74

'Nice change of pace' was the first line of the post being alerted on Kentonio Jan 2016 #77

My bad. I am sorry. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #78

Most posters on DU are able to discuss their choice of candidates in a civil manner. cwydro Jan 2016 #70

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Thank you, redwitch! Green Forest Jan 2016 #100

Near Saratoga. redwitch Jan 2016 #113

Hey neighbor! Green Forest Jan 2016 #114

Hey back atcha! redwitch Jan 2016 #115

So now ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #5

Are you suggesting that some of our friends betray a peculiar flexibility when it comes to sourcing? DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #6

It seems that way ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #10

None of us are perfect but a modicum of self awareness should be some kind of baseline./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #12

"Self awareness"?!!!? ... This is primary season!!!!! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #21

The OP only has (as of now) 54 posts. Let's tone it down. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #17

Yeah, but the post has 13 recs ... in less than an hour! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #18

Make it 14 then. HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #20

Okay. I pose the question to you, then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #22

It appears to be a hit and run. cwydro Jan 2016 #85

And 58 recs ... Go figure, Go figure. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #86

And the poster of post #2, seems to have vanished as well. cwydro Jan 2016 #88

I know huh dlwickham Jan 2016 #28

Exactly. I thought the oligarchs owned the mainstream press treestar Jan 2016 #60

That article says no such thing firebrand80 Jan 2016 #19

According to Nate Silver, these polls mean nothing right now Gothmog Jan 2016 #25

You wouldn't be saying that if those polls showed HRC running better than Bernie in the fall. Ken Burch Jan 2016 #30

Hillary Clinton's electablity does not depend on worthless match up polls Gothmog Jan 2016 #36

First Read -Are Sanders' general-election numbers fool's gold Gothmog Jan 2016 #106

so we're trusting the main stream media now? dlwickham Jan 2016 #27

More like understanding that bvf Jan 2016 #31

Oh? Do show the "MSM-bashing" among Clinton supporters. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #63

Yes, you are. bvf Jan 2016 #67

ahh I get it. You have nothing Amimnoch Jan 2016 #80

Nobody asked you to, did they? bvf Jan 2016 #90

Isn't it funny how that works. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #62

The mentality goes well beyond the media and polling ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #82

Heh, that's deserving of its own OP. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #83

It would be hidden ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #84

Yeah. You're likely right. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #87

+1. Well said. n/t FSogol Jan 2016 #91

I would hardly call the NYT a flagship paper anymore. sadoldgirl Jan 2016 #29

Berns has 40 years of elected experience Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2016 #33

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #34

Kick. artislife Jan 2016 #52

K&R Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #55

The article says it's about 2 (both) states...not the whole GE Sheepshank Jan 2016 #97

My opinions are right on. Bernie Sanders is more likeable, more trustworthy and more electable than Hillary. Green Forest Jan 2016 #99

of course you entitled to an opinon. But you used a false premis...it is a lie Sheepshank Jan 2016 #105

No, you are the one who is twisting my clear message of HOPE. It is sad that Hillary supporters are so desperate. Green Forest Jan 2016 #109

Sanders is not Obama. Orsino Jan 2016 #104

President Barack Hussein Obama is the best President in my lifetime. I supported him by early 2007. Green Forest Jan 2016 #112

Obama has been a better president than the nation probably deserved... Orsino Jan 2016 #121

Democrats would be insane to nominate Bernie Sanders Gothmog Jan 2016 #146