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2016 Postmortem

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riversedge

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Thu Jan 21, 2016, 10:43 AM Jan 2016

Let's get real, Bernie fans: It isn't "giving up" to admit a revolution isn't coming [View all]




Thursday, Jan 21, 2016 06:57 AM CST

Let’s get real, Bernie fans: It isn’t “giving up” to admit a revolution isn’t coming
Sanders supporters have embraced the candidate's calls for a revolution. But structural barriers are real


Let’s get real, Bernie fans: It isn’t “giving up” to admit a revolution isn’t coming http://www.salon.com/2016/01/21/lets_get_real_bernie_fans_it_isnt_giving_up_to_admit_a_revolution_isnt_coming/ via @Salon


Gary Legum


This past week has brought the shape of the Democratic primary into sharper focus. As we head into the start of voting, anyone paying attention to the arguments being made among voters, political professionals and opinion columnists should be able to recognize that the nomination fight is a battle between Hillary Clinton’s continuation of the pragmatic and incremental leftward policy push begun by Barack Obama, and the whole-loaf, smash-the-system revolution promised by Bernie Sanders.


One argument that pundits such as Jonathan Chait and Paul Krugman have made, and which I think is being yadda-yadda’d a little too much by Sanders’s supporters, is the observation that any Democratic president will be hamstrung by what will almost assuredly be a Republican-controlled Congress. Thanks to gerrymandering and demographic sorting (the habit of liberals to live in clusters in major cities while conservative voters are more evenly spread out through the country), the House of Representatives has little chance of seeing a Democratic majority either this year or in 2018.

Democrats have a better chance of retaking the Senate, but even there they will not have anything close to a 60-vote supermajority that can stop Republican obstructionism. Furthermore, there will still be enough moderate and conservative Democrats in the chamber to water down any liberal legislation. Add in that the Democratic caucus will likely be led by Chuck Schumer, who is not exactly Elizabeth Warren, and it is very likely that the Senate will be the same chokepoint it has been for most of our history. (And for which our sainted Founding Fathers designed it to be.)....................

This is something I think gets overlooked in all the talk about Sanders’s revolution. For evidence, one only need look back at the early years of the Obama administration.
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This is not to argue that everyone should forget Sanders and go vote for Hillary Clinton, though obviously I fall into the incrementalism, get-what-you-can-within-the-system’s-constraints camp. But the constraints are there, they can’t be wished away, and they make rapid change nearly impossible in our polarized times. So I think it’s important for supporters of liberalism to remember them and to decide, no matter who is the nominee, the practical goals they will need to achieve to overcome them.....................
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OH blah, blah blah !!! pangaia Jan 2016 #1
What? Are you implying that these propaganda attempts to dampen your enthusiasm NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #5
It's working on me! CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #16
Don't do it! elias49 Jan 2016 #22
Help me! I don't want to end up in the TV! (nt) CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #29
Oh noes NorthCarolina Jan 2016 #23
I SWEAR ejbr Jan 2016 #27
But Legums are so nutritious! merrily Jan 2016 #35
Let's not. azmom Jan 2016 #2
It's not just corporate Republicans that are the problem. It's the corporate Democrats and the sell Skwmom Jan 2016 #3
Damn right. draa Jan 2016 #9
Beats the hell out of giving up before you even try. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #4
AARGGHHH!!!!! Krytan11c Jan 2016 #6
+10000 n/t ejbr Jan 2016 #28
scared rich people Iggy Knorr Jan 2016 #7
It's so painfully obvious Lawud Jan 2016 #19
OH the pain!! Oh the agony!! I feel so demoralized!! CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #8
Don't forget the champagne flutes! Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #24
The desperation is definitely reeking out openly and pouring by the bucketfuls. snoringvoter Jan 2016 #10
Lol. What a steaming pile of oozing poo. cali Jan 2016 #11
Then what are you worried about? daleanime Jan 2016 #12
!!! merrily Jan 2016 #33
It's already here pinebox Jan 2016 #13
Wow....best idea Evah! kenfrequed Jan 2016 #14
All these hit pieces on Bernie by these writters and Hillary supporters show desperation Lawud Jan 2016 #15
but...but...She had all of the endorsements! CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #20
Can't attack the man on his record or his integrity Lawud Jan 2016 #34
Hmmmm... coyote Jan 2016 #55
So in other words: shut up, stupid liberals, the times have passed you by. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #17
Some nobody blogger in LA TM99 Jan 2016 #18
Did anyone really read it though? Seriously. (nt) CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #21
I read the first few sentences Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #26
This post is the equivalent of walking into a room with 80 percent vegetarians CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #36
Very few people supporting Sanders are going to even read that horseshit phleshdef Jan 2016 #25
LOL! It's already started. merrily Jan 2016 #30
Let's get him elected and then we can worry about the revolution Jarqui Jan 2016 #31
Bernie says he will get elected without the establishment. good luck with that sillyness. riversedge Jan 2016 #48
He's doing pretty well so far. Jarqui Jan 2016 #50
K&R! stonecutter357 Jan 2016 #32
K&R. lunamagica Jan 2016 #37
I'm kicking and recommending just so the mocking and assault on Sanders supporters CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #40
Yawn.. lunamagica Jan 2016 #43
So patronizing boobooday Jan 2016 #38
How about some creeping incremental change to the left. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2016 #39
"Give up," whispers Salon. n/t Orsino Jan 2016 #41
salon has been downhill since they started presenting joan walsh as impartial. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #42
What ops like this stage left Jan 2016 #44
Constraints are meant to be broken, and that's exactly what we're going to do. n/t Avalux Jan 2016 #45
The 'Let's Get Real' message of 2008 was 'Let's get real, marriage equality is impossible and only Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #46
Bernie's revolution is nothing but a slogan. Alfresco Jan 2016 #47
Must...maintain...Status Quo...at all costs! nt Romulox Jan 2016 #49
Those that say it can’t be done should get out of the way of those doing it” GO BERNIE!! BigBearJohn Jan 2016 #51
I thought at first that this was fom The Onion!!! But it is meant as serious analysis? guillaumeb Jan 2016 #52
Great article Gothmog Jan 2016 #53
Republican gridlock is only an argument in favor of Clinton if you accept that her goals Romulox Jan 2016 #54
Thanks for your well-reasoned, thoughtful post Empowerer Jan 2016 #56
Same constraints for both HassleCat Jan 2016 #57
The idea that the US political landscape is unchangable is a political depression. plus5mace Jan 2016 #58
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