2016 Postmortem

Warren DeMontague

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145. There's plenty he can do wrong. Hell, there's shit I don't agree with him on, issues-wise.

Thu Jan 21, 2016, 04:21 PM

Jan 2016

But at least he takes bold specific positions and articulates them, because he's actually running on issues.

The epitome of projection on the part of Hill folk is when they imagine that Bernie Sanders supporters are some sort of cult of personality. I never had any particularly strong feelings about the Vermont Senator, always appreciated his caucusing with us, thought he made some decent points from time to time. I wanted Liz Warren to run, as did many others... he got in because he saw a need for certain arguments to be put forward in this race and he knew (correctly) for damn sure Secretary Clinton wasn't gonna do that.

But it's never been about the guy. His ego, his identity, whatever. I do like the idea of electing the first secular Jew to the Presidency, but even that only gets barely passing consideration.

Compare that to the whole "Hillary™ must be supported because she is Hillary™ and why wouldn't you support Hillary™ when it is self-evident that Hillary™ is not just the best Hillary™ but the only Hillary™ and CERTAINLY the Hillary™ we need so come on get on board the Hillary™ train..."

know why?

Because Obviously, Hillary cannot run on the issues.

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Hillary wants to know if the HRC and PP are part of the 'establishment' Bernie is fighting [View all] bigtree Jan 2016 OP

Hill is losing her mind. She's on the brink... bowens43 Jan 2016 #1

she makes a damn good point bigtree Jan 2016 #4

His point is about their leadership. Not the membership. Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #47

do you imagine they serve at the displeasure of the organization? bigtree Jan 2016 #51

Since every organization that has voted on who to endorse has chosen Bernie Motown_Johnny Jan 2016 #67

Leadership In These Organizations Wants To Stay in Line ..WITH DA $MONEY$! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #96

I take some of Clinton's union endorsements the same way Jarqui Jan 2016 #87

Thank You Very much For This Summary! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #97

I Think He Started Explaining His Record & Said He ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #132

Those endorsements were cronyism Armstead Jan 2016 #68

that's just a sour grapes charge Sanders supporters use when he's denied bigtree Jan 2016 #106

there is nothing progressive about their leadership. roguevalley Jan 2016 #70

these are community volunteers making this endorsement bigtree Jan 2016 #108

No she asking the right questions lewebley3 Jan 2016 #50

Over the top, much? Beacool Jan 2016 #74

K&R Alfresco Jan 2016 #2

Yes Kalidurga Jan 2016 #3

fighting them for the promotion of a politician in a primary bigtree Jan 2016 #6

I am not going to fight them by being an opponent to what they do Kalidurga Jan 2016 #13

Thanks for the post.....here is Hillary's statement.... riversedge Jan 2016 #24

thanks bigtree Jan 2016 #46

What's regrettable is HRC endorsing the lower floriduck Jan 2016 #59

yeah, then he would come across as a whinning kid who did not get his pony riversedge Jan 2016 #84

Exactly Kalidurga Jan 2016 #82

She is so full of mock outrage. nt artislife Jan 2016 #121

This Is PURE & TOTAL CRAP, IMO... ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #134

You mean like those organizations who's leaders are endorsing HRC to preserve notadmblnd Jan 2016 #79

I know right Kalidurga Jan 2016 #83

Wow ... PPR will have to convert its clinics ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #10

Nice job Kalidurga Jan 2016 #11

Okay ...add that part in, too ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #16

Single payer will reduce the need for low cost medical care of all kinds Kalidurga Jan 2016 #17

So, what would this "conversion" necessitate .... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #26

What the hell are we talking specialist for Kalidurga Jan 2016 #27

well put,go to a Dr. office instead. wendylaroux Jan 2016 #39

Do you think putting more money in people's pocket ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #52

We are talking about two separate issues at least at first now we are down to one? Kalidurga Jan 2016 #53

That would be you. ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #55

Money addresses 50,000 people a year dying from poverty. Kalidurga Jan 2016 #56

And it DOES NOT address the Black folks killed every 28 hours by police ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #62

No it doesn't address police brutality Kalidurga Jan 2016 #63

Okay. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #65

you tried to convince us it is not illegal to shoot 12 year kids...just a bad outcome questionseverything Jan 2016 #66

B.S., I did no such thing. Read what I wrote ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #71

the rookie cop that pulled the trigger was rightfully exonerated Kalidurga Jan 2016 #72

twas sbm defending the rookie cop, not i questionseverything Jan 2016 #76

Okay. That's not all I said. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #91

okay thanks for the clarification Kalidurga Jan 2016 #98

That's not what people that do this for a living opine ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #90

I thought we were talking PP and universal health care. This is straight out of left field. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #81

How on earth will fewer wars impact the work of the HRC? OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #22

Apparently I did not Kalidurga Jan 2016 #25

You could read their statement. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #31

LOL Kalidurga Jan 2016 #37

Why would PP convert into general health clinics? tammywammy Jan 2016 #15

Yes they will Kalidurga Jan 2016 #19

Yeah, sure........... Beacool Jan 2016 #77

It shows just how shallow some BlueMTexpat Jan 2016 #5

I have zero problems with withdrawing support from the HRC Prism Jan 2016 #7

just remember bigtree Jan 2016 #12

You honestly have no idea what you're talking about Prism Jan 2016 #14

I glad you do though. draa Jan 2016 #35

in this primary bigtree Jan 2016 #38

The leadership of those organizations were quick to alienate Armstead Jan 2016 #69

but Bernie wanted their endorsement bigtree Jan 2016 #93

Exactly. artislife Jan 2016 #125

Thanks, Prism. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #44

you speak for me! m-lekktor Jan 2016 #54

They sound like the Susan B Komens of the LGBT arena. nt artislife Jan 2016 #123

Planned Parenthood fucked up here LittleBlue Jan 2016 #8

Well, it is well-known that Hillary is the "Establishment" Democrat. check. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #9

how many of Sanders' endorsements were polled? bigtree Jan 2016 #23

MoveOn.org and Democracy for America - also both polled their membership. 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #32

It is a valid point. PatrickforO Jan 2016 #33

I have donated to PP because of their services... madfloridian Jan 2016 #18

Yes, Hillary, they are part of the establishment. As you well know. Punkingal Jan 2016 #20

Like with PP Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #36

Of course...and remember the shit storm here over the PP daughter working for Hillary? Punkingal Jan 2016 #40

I remember shit-flinging. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #42

IMO when it goes on for several days. Punkingal Jan 2016 #43

Breaking News: OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #49

Thanks for being so nice and polite. Punkingal Jan 2016 #57

No prob. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #60

Way To Point Out Just ONE MORE EFFING FACT ON HOW CORRUPT THE ENTIRE SYSTEM IS! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #99

"There's desperation in the air" hobbit709 Jan 2016 #21

Clinton is definitely part of the establishment, and when PatrickforO Jan 2016 #28

here bigtree Jan 2016 #41

Let me guess... Yes! Withdrawing my contributions! Thanks for the info! Bernie 2016 Yupy Jan 2016 #29

Other establishment orgs he's taking on... Alfresco Jan 2016 #30

Yup. OilemFirchen Jan 2016 #48

This is a pathetic line of attack. I'm almost embarrassed for her. Vinca Jan 2016 #34

I stand with Planned Parenthood and the Human Rights Campaign Gothmog Jan 2016 #45

I'm sorry pinebox Jan 2016 #75

They seem to be using their hearts on this one. nt artislife Jan 2016 #128

Did the HRC endorse someone today?? I must have missed that Number23 Jan 2016 #101

This is just an example of the damage being done by Sanders cult of personality Thenewire Jan 2016 #58

There's that "cult" thingy again. madfloridian Jan 2016 #61

Progressives are voting for Bernie! azmom Jan 2016 #88

I think you have it wrong. nt artislife Jan 2016 #126

Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #64

Ah, the use of a nice Jewish slang term. So innocent, but conveys a powerful coded message. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #78

He was called "Shifty" Sanders here last week. beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #86

The dog whistles will be a steam calliope by Super Tuesday Fumesucker Jan 2016 #142

Not sure where that image is from but there is a lot of PII on it. Agschmid Jan 2016 #73

it's a twitter post bigtree Jan 2016 #95

Okay nevermind. Thanks. Agschmid Jan 2016 #100

Obviously, Hillary cannot run on the issues. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #80

Obviously, Sanders should not have dissed large national women's health and LGTB groups. riversedge Jan 2016 #85

I think we all know what the real dis is, dont we. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #92

They dissed him by endorsing Clinton Armstead Jan 2016 #116

what's the 'issue' behind encouraging people to walk out on these progressive organizations? bigtree Jan 2016 #94

Where exactly did Sanders "encourage people to walk out on" planned parenthood? Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #104

pay attention bigtree Jan 2016 #109

Baloney. Calling PP 'establishment' is not the same thing as telling people to pull their support. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #110

yeah, that's the effect. Trashing progressive allies of our Democratic agenda bigtree Jan 2016 #115

no, he answered a question. I know, another day, another UNACCEPTABLE SANDERS OUTRAGEEEEEEE!!!!!! Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #120

you be honest bigtree Jan 2016 #135

There's plenty he can do wrong. Hell, there's shit I don't agree with him on, issues-wise. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #145

love how every defense of him comes at Hillary's expense bigtree Jan 2016 #146

It's not an attack. He answered a question about their endorsements by saying that they are Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #147

his spokesman doubled down bigtree Jan 2016 #148

He said he disagreed with their endorsement, he feels they should have endorsed his candidate Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #149

you go with that bigtree Jan 2016 #150

Again, not an attack. But if you think talking about this instead of actual policy issues will Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #151

it's actually the Sanders and Clinton camps generating all of this intra-party noise bigtree Jan 2016 #152

Sure. And I'll bet that DWS attacking Millennials and advocating more prison for pot use drove more Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #153

They brought it on....Why did they set up things for this? Armstead Jan 2016 #114

that's the most outrageous charge yet bigtree Jan 2016 #119

Yes I do....They endorsed Sanders' opponent. So people are juist to shut up and not react? Armstead Jan 2016 #122

listen to yourself bigtree Jan 2016 #136

Is all criticism "trashing"? Armstead Jan 2016 #137

straw man bigtree Jan 2016 #138

I've already stated my position...Not going to keep going round this circle Armstead Jan 2016 #140

I'm growing more and more disgusted ecstatic Jan 2016 #89

+ a freaking million Number23 Jan 2016 #103

Feel the Bern has always felt like a taunt. Obviously that's exactly what it is. Metric System Jan 2016 #102

Does progressive now mean "my way or the highway"? Metric System Jan 2016 #105

with Bernie, or against him bigtree Jan 2016 #111

Synthetic Bullshit n/t whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #107

Obviously, Hillary cannot run on the issues. Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #113

Yup, gotta whip up a little outrage whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #118

only Sanders supporters can actually be angry about something bigtree Jan 2016 #124

You're free to be angry about whatever you want whatchamacallit Jan 2016 #127

You certainly are part of the 'establishment' WE are fighting Hillary. Autumn Jan 2016 #112

They should have held off endorsing until the people had voted artislife Jan 2016 #117

According to DU threads... Mike Nelson Jan 2016 #129

So LOVE Seeing This... His Comments Were Smeared & Fuzzed Up ChiciB1 Jan 2016 #130

His supporters, such as yourself, understood him clearly. Stopping support to good organizations Metric System Jan 2016 #133

I guess this is one Martin vote going to h. nt artislife Jan 2016 #131

bad guess bigtree Jan 2016 #139

I mean when he drops out of the race, if that happens. nt artislife Jan 2016 #141

on the issues bigtree Jan 2016 #143

Fair enough. I would vote for Martin if it were a two way with h artislife Jan 2016 #144