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2016 Postmortem

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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Fri Jan 22, 2016, 01:30 PM Jan 2016

WTF is this crap Hillary? Shopping around a doc saying Bernie is pro-Communist? [View all]

Really? REALLY?
You wanted a war on your hands, you got it. You just opened up a whole treasure chest of crap from your past that is now fair game. You have more baggage than Samsonite.



Sanders smeared as communist sympathiser as Clinton allies sling mud
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/22/bernie-sanders-communist-sympathiser-hillary-clinton-us-election-2016
A war of words between Hillary Clinton and Sanders has erupted in recent days as polls show him in the lead among voters in New Hampshire and Iowa

The dossier, prepared by opponents of Sanders and passed on to The Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”, alleges that Sanders “sympathized with the USSR during the Cold War” because he went on a trip there to visit a twinned city while he was mayor of Burlington.

Similar “associations with communism” in Cuba are catalogued alongside a list of quotes about countries ranging from China to Nicaragua in a way that supporters regard as bordering on the McCarthyite rather than fairly reflecting his views.

Sanders has insisted on many occasions this year that his own philosophy of democratic socialism is very different to that of authoritarian regimes, and much more in keeping with the tradition of American reformers such as Franklin D Roosevelt.

The Vermont senator has also ridiculed suggestions – repeated by the attack dossier – that his policies would see nationalisation of US industries.

“I don’t believe government should take over the grocery store down the street or own the means of production,” he said during a speech at Georgetown University. “But I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a decent standard of living and that their incomes should go up, not down. I do believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America, companies that create jobs here, rather than companies that are shutting down in America and increasing their profits by exploiting low-wage labor abroad.”
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I don't doubt this is true, but... HerbChestnut Jan 2016 #1
Time to talk about the Clinton Foundation. azmom Jan 2016 #2
the pay for play scam they have going? Okay. :D:D:D roguevalley Jan 2016 #123
Not much different than branding Clinton a Third Way, Neo-Liberal, Oligarch, or some such. Hoyt Jan 2016 #3
because she is pinebox Jan 2016 #8
so, you believe everything you read on Kos. got it. riversedge Jan 2016 #28
So you can't debunk anything? pinebox Jan 2016 #44
An hour has passed and nothing. retrowire Jan 2016 #70
yup. they're on it. restorefreedom Jan 2016 #77
What I hate about the lies her group is telling draa Jan 2016 #90
Some...a very small/few supported her...there are others that still post against Hillary on Benghazi Sheepshank Jan 2016 #103
Bullshit. Benghazi was bullshit and we all know it. blackspade Jan 2016 #114
Then perhaps you can tell your "brothers in arms" to drop that crappola next time it comeS N/T up Sheepshank Jan 2016 #122
"brothers in arms"....Interesting that you would use that term. blackspade Jan 2016 #149
I will let you know next time I see a Benghazi post used to slam Hillary Sheepshank Jan 2016 #151
Some of you need to stop conflating an unsecured server with Benghazi. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #157
what makes you think you are in any position to tell anyone to learn anything? Sheepshank Jan 2016 #160
Hillary and her supporters are burning a lot of bridges. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #120
This: AlbertCat Jan 2016 #143
HillBill Is A Sinkin Fast... And It Is ENTIRELY HER DOING! CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #166
I agree! n/t cui bono Jan 2016 #170
a very small/few supported her. AlbertCat Jan 2016 #140
your post appear to be the very epitome of everything you complained about haa haa haaa n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #152
Link? merrily Jan 2016 #154
Where? Links to DUers using Benghazi against Hillary? cui bono Jan 2016 #169
I just will not waste my time on sillyness. bye riversedge Jan 2016 #159
lol [x] Wrecked. [ ] Not wrecked. pinebox Jan 2016 #161
I believe what I see with my own two eyes! n/t RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #66
Those who use insult where retort would excell use insult because they are bereft of better argument Bluenorthwest Jan 2016 #68
No, because we can watch her in action. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #156
Absolutely MissDeeds Jan 2016 #136
Which means that you want to stay away from Hillary.... daleanime Jan 2016 #11
Those are true statements hobbit709 Jan 2016 #15
Sanders will easily get that... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #17
I'm concerned about the general election. Hoyt Jan 2016 #38
Me too. tecelote Jan 2016 #55
I am too, seriously. navarth Jan 2016 #60
As I said, I don't think Sanders is a commie, nor does in matter. I don't think Clinton called him Hoyt Jan 2016 #82
I just don't see much good in exaggeration. navarth Jan 2016 #111
Egg-jazz-err-a-shun. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #131
Don't be. tazkcmo Jan 2016 #182
Yeah Kall Jan 2016 #184
This Communist bullshit is beyond the pale... Punkingal Jan 2016 #21
Difference being Hillary is all those things AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #27
uh....she *is* DLC/Third Way Roland99 Jan 2016 #63
Well, I guess all those Democratic third wayers in New York were wrong electing her. Obama was wrong Hoyt Jan 2016 #79
Many things Obama has done wrong or forgotten about or done a 180 on from his original campaign. Roland99 Jan 2016 #98
He's been a good Prez and he was supported by good Democrats. Unfortunately, some Democrats feel Hoyt Jan 2016 #113
He wasn't good enough. We can do much, much better. cui bono Jan 2016 #172
Did you see the price of oil? We must have war with Iran. Oil would be over $100/barrel next day. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #190
Obama was wrong tapping her for Secretary of State Kalidurga Jan 2016 #189
And it is the DLC and its remnants that are MORE tied to Stalin than Bernie ever was... cascadiance Jan 2016 #138
The difference is Old Codger Jan 2016 #88
Well, since her husband, whatsisname... gregcrawford Jan 2016 #125
Geebus. Are you kidding? It's very different. Those things are true. merrily Jan 2016 #153
Truth is hard. cui bono Jan 2016 #173
Truth is hard; false equivalencies are easy. merrily Jan 2016 #186
Either it's true or it isn't and if it isn't... why are they saying so? sibelian Jan 2016 #193
Slimy and they've been shopping around crap cali Jan 2016 #4
This says it all passiveporcupine Jan 2016 #84
Who needs guess-work? Wilms Jan 2016 #5
It's worse than stupid pet tricks Duckfan Jan 2016 #59
Stupid humor or stupid human? cui bono Jan 2016 #174
While Snopes denies it, there's always that issue of the 45 dead people known to them. nt TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #6
Considering the pretty consistant -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2016 #7
ok. n/t zappaman Jan 2016 #9
He also allowed fluoridation of the water while mayor of Burlington DefenseLawyer Jan 2016 #10
. JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #37
They are tryng to poison my precious bodily fluids. pangaia Jan 2016 #96
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #12
Are you now or have you ever been, courtesty of the Hillary campaign. CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #13
Those turbine blades must be hitting 100,000 rpm again. hobbit709 Jan 2016 #14
next up, a scary image of the South under RED OCCUPATION MisterP Jan 2016 #16
Remember Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #48
Brock: "oh no, McCain's a commie now!" MisterP Jan 2016 #50
That would be fitting Mnpaul Jan 2016 #162
hence-a their outrageous accents! MisterP Jan 2016 #163
LMFAO.. Love it Fumesucker Jan 2016 #180
Is This The "Joseph McCarthy" Era Again? WTF? fredamae Jan 2016 #18
what do you think Karl rove and his kind will do to Sanders, should by riversedge Jan 2016 #25
So Hillary is like a Rove shit slinging test bed? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #30
No i did not say that. You did and shame on you for saying it. riversedge Jan 2016 #33
That is essentially what you are saying AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #42
Stop making stuff up -what you imagine I said. Enough bye riversedge Jan 2016 #52
You implied it Bradical79 Jan 2016 #117
Oh, come on... take your own advice and buck up. cui bono Jan 2016 #177
Might have well said it because cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #69
Hillary is worse. She does it to her own party members. morningfog Jan 2016 #53
Which is really short-sighted beltanefauve Jan 2016 #86
What do you think Karl Rove and his kind will fredamae Jan 2016 #32
So we should be thanking Clinton TM99 Jan 2016 #46
only in my mind could that crap what you just said be conjured up. riversedge Jan 2016 #54
Ok then, we should criticize TM99 Jan 2016 #81
Hill supporters beltanefauve Jan 2016 #91
Yeah, me too. TM99 Jan 2016 #95
Rove's got nothing on HIllary. She's ten times worse. morningfog Jan 2016 #51
Why give the Republicans ammo? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #57
'cos no Bernie supporter has done that to Hillary....what a crock of shit. n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #118
It's okay to be evil because you see the other side as evil? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #121
This close to elections, is don't serve anyone to act as a door mat. n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #124
I don't do this often but: WTF? Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #127
So you agree with her red baiting? You like McCarthyism? cui bono Jan 2016 #179
First of all, this is what Hillary herself is doing, not a supporter. cui bono Jan 2016 #181
Let fucking Rove do what he will. pangaia Jan 2016 #99
Sounds like Hilary's kind are already at it. GeorgeGist Jan 2016 #107
what do you think Karl rove and his kind will do to Sanders, AlbertCat Jan 2016 #144
So you're rationalizing Hillary using disgusting right wing tactics that Rove would use? cui bono Jan 2016 #175
Well, *one* of the two candidates supported Barry Goldwater. EOM The Green Manalishi Jan 2016 #94
Except Barry was too smart for today's GOP ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #137
Poor Bernie supporters! Can't stand even the slightest criticism of Bernie. beaglelover Jan 2016 #19
Did you notice that this OP and the replies are posted in GDP, hardly a safe place. Autumn Jan 2016 #29
Calling him a communist sympathizer is hardly "slight criticism" and you know it. arcane1 Jan 2016 #36
So you are fine with 50s style right wing McCarthyism from your candidate? AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #39
I won't. beaglelover Jan 2016 #40
Stop making stuff up and looking foolish. It is not from Hillary and you know it. bye riversedge Jan 2016 #58
It's brock, no doubt Voice for Peace Jan 2016 #85
its her surrogates AgingAmerican Jan 2016 #167
One year from today... 99Forever Jan 2016 #47
Watching the guys with the big butterfly nets will be even better. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #75
Run fast... 99Forever Jan 2016 #106
ah.. because Marty McGraw Jan 2016 #49
There's only one safe place here, and we're not allowed in it. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #71
Bernie says it, it gets pointed out and his supporters go insane. Dawson Leery Jan 2016 #126
How do you stand looking in a mirror? ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #133
Jury results: merrily Jan 2016 #147
Keep lovin' your Koch brothers' commie money funded DLC roots why don't ya! cascadiance Jan 2016 #139
No, we're just tired of the lies your candidate MissDeeds Jan 2016 #142
Red baiting and McCarthyism are hardly slight criticisms. cui bono Jan 2016 #176
You think this is a "slightest" criticism. mikehiggins Jan 2016 #183
It's not a criticism. It's just bollocks. sibelian Jan 2016 #194
We knew it was coming, folks! beam me up scottie Jan 2016 #20
It will backfire spectacularly Mufaddal Jan 2016 #22
It will backfire spectacularly AlbertCat Jan 2016 #146
Yeah I've seen Bernie's Soviet flag pulled out several times this week Autumn Jan 2016 #23
HRC has gone off the rails. glinda Jan 2016 #24
Hillary slinging mud. May be her only chance at this point. Broward Jan 2016 #26
Has she hit bottom, yet? last1standing Jan 2016 #31
Hell no. cali Jan 2016 #34
She did, but then she found a shovel. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2016 #112
Like the ones she gave Iowans in 2008? Fawke Em Jan 2016 #158
RED BAITING Shrillary? That's what you got now? Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #35
Just a head's up: If you want to stay here for awhile -- Hell Hath No Fury Jan 2016 #41
I fully expect to be banned, and probably today. Still In Wisconsin Jan 2016 #45
yeah, I detest her politics & behavior but let's leave "shrill" and "pantsuit" out of it zazen Jan 2016 #76
There's plenty of valid criticism beltanefauve Jan 2016 #93
Zero connection to Clinton. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #43
Every day I like her even less Ferd Berfel Jan 2016 #56
Her internal polling must be something to see. Bernie must be winning by more than we think he is. Vinca Jan 2016 #61
Since the gloves are off Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #62
They must be petrified they will lose Iowa. . Peregrine Took Jan 2016 #64
Fuck her Campaign of Lies! SoapBox Jan 2016 #65
They must be VERY worried that they will lose. RoccoR5955 Jan 2016 #67
this typical hilary smear machine. imagine if we allow her the power desires bowens43 Jan 2016 #72
People with shady buddies ought to be very careful about starting guilt by association. JoeyT Jan 2016 #73
Hillary will NEVER EVER get my vote !!! urbuddha Jan 2016 #74
Lots of people feel the way 840high Jan 2016 #104
I was withholding that decision about holding my nose, but this crap doesn't make it easier EndElectoral Jan 2016 #109
Your post needed this ... JoePhilly Jan 2016 #119
They really want to go there? sarge43 Jan 2016 #78
definitely fan hitting time restorefreedom Jan 2016 #97
And the sad thing about this is INdemo Jan 2016 #80
Whatever It Takes(tm) arcane1 Jan 2016 #92
its ON,clintons restorefreedom Jan 2016 #83
and she don't understand why Bernie's numbers are rising. . . B Calm Jan 2016 #87
Did she object when Walmart was sourcing some of its goods from China closeupready Jan 2016 #89
I suppose it's only fair to sling mud back..... I would not vote for a doormat Sheepshank Jan 2016 #100
prefer Hillary to be a doormat AlbertCat Jan 2016 #148
of course the mysoginistic crowd would love all women to be doormats n/t Sheepshank Jan 2016 #150
Ugly. A preview zentrum Jan 2016 #101
Bernie is a socialist? Pro-communist? abelenkpe Jan 2016 #102
Who else visited the USSR in 1988? Reagan; 125,000 American citizens; 20 major corporations spedtr90 Jan 2016 #105
I went and studied there in 76. I ended up teaching there after the USSR fell. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #135
Shades of McCarthyism... EndElectoral Jan 2016 #108
I would say that is unbelievable from a Democrat..... blackspade Jan 2016 #110
Next they'll claim he's Nader. Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #115
I got news for ya: november3rd Jan 2016 #116
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #128
Sanders “sympathized with the USSR during the Cold War” AlbertCat Jan 2016 #129
Keep it up, Hillary MissDeeds Jan 2016 #130
"passed on to the Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”" JTFrog Jan 2016 #132
Of course, how else to keep the money flowing in? Also, is oppo research news to these guys? synergie Jan 2016 #185
If she gets the nomination, who will vote for her? emsimon33 Jan 2016 #134
Deja vu Truprogressive85 Jan 2016 #141
meet me at the book burning! Warren DeMontague Jan 2016 #145
her transparent campaign gets worse every day. my friend supports her but she hates her campaign. ViseGrip Jan 2016 #155
All respect now gone.... glinda Jan 2016 #164
The more they red-bait they more Millennials will flock to Bernie. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #165
Well if there is an actual doc, LeatherSofa Jan 2016 #168
Doubtful pinebox Jan 2016 #187
Really? > a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat” Lucinda Jan 2016 #171
The guy just got off vacation for constantly dumping right wing shit in this forum. JTFrog Jan 2016 #192
I've been away from DU for a while and it's amazing how much has changed. Lucinda Jan 2016 #195
Here's a Clinton statement about Red-baiting (blast from the past): " A pathetic ploy by a desperate kath Jan 2016 #178
She's been seeing her polling amongst older voters start to slip Kentonio Jan 2016 #188
Funny, given the pro-Putin stance of the other side! Helen Borg Jan 2016 #197
Kicked and recommended! I am sick of this bullshit. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #191
Perhaps we all are Democratic Communists after all... Helen Borg Jan 2016 #196
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