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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Washington Post: "How Cornel West Hurts Bernie Sanders" [View all]Empowerer
(3,900 posts)60. That's a big problem with the Sanders campaign
You all think you know it all and don't bother listening to the very people you're trying to attract about how you might want to reach out to them. This is exactly the problem the campaign has had in attracting black voters, as I noted in another thread:
The campaign and its supporters seem to be more about satisfying themselves than in reaching out to bring others in. It has the atmosphere of a clique, a "cool kids club" that is all about reinforcing how cool and correct the current members are. If you're not one of them, you are an "other." And if you don't jump on board immediately and wholeheartedly, you are promptly dismissed and subsequently dealt with only as a subject of derision and contempt. I have seen very little effort to find out what those who not already in the camp think or want. Instead we're all told what we SHOULD want, who we SHOULD support, who we SHOULDN'T support, why we're crazy to do otherwise and if we don't agree, WE are the problem because we just don't get it. If we don't "FEEL THE BERN," it's our loss, not the campaign's. And then with a "Screw you - we don't need you anyway" kiss-off, they turn back inward to talk amongst themselves, telling one another how great Bernie is, how enlightened they are and how awful and clueless everyone else is.
That is evident in the embrace of Cornel West. Dr. West is much more popular with white liberals than he is with African Americans who generally (with some exceptions, of course, since we don't ALL think alike) believe that, while he was once a substantial scholar he has deteriorated into a rather silly, shallow and petty figure. I suspect that many white folks think he's wonderful because they don't know too many black people and believe that he is unusually brilliant; however, black folk know all manner of brilliant people of color, so we're not all that impressed with Dr. West's erudite sounding but hollow pontificating.
Yet, despite his low regard in the black community, Dr. West was brought in to attract more blacks to the Sanders campaign. It obviously has not worked. We have made that clear. But instead of listening to us and respecting our view, Sanders supporters just tell us how much THEY like Dr. West. But frankly, who cares if THEY like him? He's not there to get their support - they're already on board.
That seems to be totally lost on the Sanders campaign and many of its supporters.
That is evident in the embrace of Cornel West. Dr. West is much more popular with white liberals than he is with African Americans who generally (with some exceptions, of course, since we don't ALL think alike) believe that, while he was once a substantial scholar he has deteriorated into a rather silly, shallow and petty figure. I suspect that many white folks think he's wonderful because they don't know too many black people and believe that he is unusually brilliant; however, black folk know all manner of brilliant people of color, so we're not all that impressed with Dr. West's erudite sounding but hollow pontificating.
Yet, despite his low regard in the black community, Dr. West was brought in to attract more blacks to the Sanders campaign. It obviously has not worked. We have made that clear. But instead of listening to us and respecting our view, Sanders supporters just tell us how much THEY like Dr. West. But frankly, who cares if THEY like him? He's not there to get their support - they're already on board.
That seems to be totally lost on the Sanders campaign and many of its supporters.
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Funny that you say HRC's surrogates are irrelevant - and then you light into them, so they must
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#9
Don't you know Hillary is responsible for anything said and done by those even tangentially related
Metric System
Jan 2016
#13
So, you think it's smart for the Sanders campaign to send out a man with whom black people
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#27
Why do you keep saying what Black people "should" do? Do you really think that we haven't thought
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#48
I have seen the Tampa Bay Times stir the same shit pot in Florida. I hope people see through this.
ViseGrip
Jan 2016
#7
Wash Post? Please. The only ones reading posts like these are worried Bernie fans.
dinkytron
Jan 2016
#17
The fact that he takes a position that you don't agree with makes him a "f--king clown?"
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#28
Capehard didn't present West as a liability because he doesn't agree with him
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#34
So tired of hearing Hillary fans lecturing on how the Bernie campaign should be run
Kentonio
Jan 2016
#58
You think he hurts Sanders more than Debbie "millennials suck, put pot smokers in prison" Wasserman
Warren DeMontague
Jan 2016
#42
Clinton hasn't designated Wasserman-Shultz as her surrogate and sent her out to campaign on her
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#43
Sometimes, I bid a poster good night. Sometimes, I prefer to bid a poster "link or slink."
merrily
Jan 2016
#51
I've been saying this a while. Cornel West is not a good surrogate, there are many better.
highprincipleswork
Jan 2016
#57
Not a chance Bernie would cut loose someone who has worked hard for him like that.
Kentonio
Jan 2016
#59
He doesn't need to "cut him loose"- just use him for something else besides outreach to black folk
Empowerer
Jan 2016
#62